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post #1 of 27 Old 03-31-2017, 12:30 PM Thread Starter
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Not BMW specific, but concerning none the less

I came across the article this morning about the impact of emission controls on the motorcycle industry. We've all heard this stuff before, and technology has come to the rescue. Which I believe will happen again. More efficient fuel metering, larger (and uglier?) catalytic converters and other already known techonologies should get the job done. But there's a cost for everything...

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So they can't make old motorcycles anymore. They can't build a CB750 today without re-designing everything about it like Triumph did with the Bonneville. I think the guy who wrote the article is just mad Yamaha is discounting his personal love the VMAX.
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I remember back in the 70's and 80's when pollution gear first started showing up on cars. We had things called smog pumps driven off the front serpentine belt on the engine. Cars really sucked back then and even hot snot performance cars were bragging about 275 HP. I wonder though where we'd be today if those restrictions hadn't happened? I'm driving a new F150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost and 10 speed tranny. 375 HP and 470 ft. lbs out of a 3.5L engine that emits less harmful stuff than I do after the chili cook-off. I still can't believe I own a freakin' pickup truck that will boogie like that with a 6 cylinder.

I imagine the performance motorcycle of the future will be some sort of hybrid drive with 100 hp from internal combustion and another 100 hp from electric drive. Imagine instant full torque with great top end power that makes all the nasty noises we love so much but gets 120 mpg and is PZEV.

When I brought home my S1000RR I said to myself that I can't believe that I can walk into a dealership and ride this thing out to ride on the street - 180 HP at the rear wheel! Not too many years ago that would have required a racing license and a factory team to get on something like that. I thought to myself, "I truly live in the golden age of performance motorcycles!" With advances in batteries we may be looking at the peak of internal combustion performance now but I wonder if the best is still yet to come?
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I remember back in the 70's and 80's when pollution gear first started showing up on cars. We had things called smog pumps driven off the front serpentine belt on the engine. Cars really sucked back then and even hot snot performance cars were bragging about 275 HP. I wonder though where we'd be today if those restrictions hadn't happened? I'm driving a new F150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost and 10 speed tranny. 375 HP and 470 ft. lbs out of a 3.5L engine that emits less harmful stuff than I do after the chili cook-off. I still can't believe I own a freakin' pickup truck that will boogie like that with a 6 cylinder.

I imagine the performance motorcycle of the future will be some sort of hybrid drive with 100 hp from internal combustion and another 100 hp from electric drive. Imagine instant full torque with great top end power that makes all the nasty noises we love so much but gets 120 mpg and is PZEV.

When I brought home my S1000RR I said to myself that I can't believe that I can walk into a dealership and ride this thing out to ride on the street - 180 HP at the rear wheel! Not too many years ago that would have required a racing license and a factory team to get on something like that. I thought to myself, "I truly live in the golden age of performance motorcycles!" With advances in batteries we may be looking at the peak of internal combustion performance now but I wonder if the best is still yet to come?
I agree! I worked in the motorcycle industry in the 90's. I was the tech at Cycle Thrills, which was the the only bike shop at the time in the Dallas area with a Dyno-jet 100. I dynoed hundreds of bikes. I spent many a Saturday dyno tuning all day for customers. Some of the baddest bikes in the DFW area back then had thousands of dollars invested to get to 135-145 HP at the rear wheel. This truly is a magical time for bikes, technology and the mixture there of.
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It was anticipated that Euro 4 would be the death of motorcycles. Well, despite the added exhaust weight (maybe 15 lbs.) the bikes are performing very well. Probably the exotic electronics that are now coming to market from the auto side is what is allowing this performance despite the added green penalty.

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Euro 4 by MCN

Emissions impossible; what Euro 4 really means | MCN

Excited about saving the planet with Euro 4?

Euro 5 is coming in 2020. Oh Boy!!

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Note the new OBD plug requirement. Not long until law enforcement can grab the last minutes of riding data after an incident.

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Note the new OBD plug requirement. Not long until law enforcement can grab the last minutes of riding data after an incident.
That has been available on four wheeled vehicles for 20 years with the introduction of OBD II in 1997

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Well just sit tight- Here in the USA we don't believe in global warming and emission problems.. according to Trump. Therefore we will have coal fired two strokes with no emission controls later next year! Should be a big lift to the industry

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...we will have coal fired two strokes with no emission controls later next year! Should be a big lift to the industry
Coal-fired? Here in the U.S. that's called "electric".
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