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post #11 of 40 Old 09-13-2016, 01:12 AM
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Good bottom line quote: "During this test the TPX was found to have 4 times the capture distance of police K and Ka radar guns which placed it into the 3-star radar detector category having comparable performance to that of the Escort 850050."
The same tester, Radar Roy, found the Escort Max and Max 2 both to have 8 times the capture distances of police K and Ka radar guns. So which is true; Radar Roy's test results or the anaecdotal reports of Adaptive units sounding off as early or earlier than other detectors? Or is there some reasonable explanation that makes both true?
My own personal experience on group rides is that I pick up radar on my Max much sooner than most of riding buddies, some of whom have the Adaptive unit. I like the Max because it pairs with the Escort live app on my iPhone to give me aural warnings such as "Live Ka alert" or "x band alert", not flashing lights or beeps, while also giving me aural warnings of known recent speed traps, red light cameras, speed cameras, police with instant on radar/laser up ahead and traffic conditions similar to Waze. With my phone mounted on my bars, I can also see where the radar or red light etc. is on the map once I am warned and the strength of the radar. I also can see the traffic along my route like Waze

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I think a lot of the specsmanship in RD product companies are mostly distinctions without real meaning. They're hoping you buy in to the "more is better" marketing when good enough is good enough. Laser detection is an example of that. It's completely useless on any vehicle unless you've got it installed exactly where the LEO hits you with the laser spot. There's no scatter to pick up otherwise. And when you're hit, you're done with no time to react. The only reason they put anything like that in the RD units is specsmanship.

But hey, we're motorcycle owners and prone to all kinds of rationalizations to buy what makes us happy. Buy what makes you happy.

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Much like the use of sonar on submarines, the use of radar detectors to the best of their capacity requires focus and finesse.

When LEO shines a laser or pulls the trigger for instant on Ka the vehicle aimed at is toast. Too late.

The key is to pick-up on the use of laser or Ka on a vehicle ahead of you. To properly interpret the little beeps that occur, separating the wheat from chaff. In the 40 years I've been using radar detectors my interpretation and reaction times are pretty good.

Maybe this is why my preference is for the Redline. The twin horn design makes for long distance pick-up of signals. The lack of GPS is not the issue for me as my motorcycle use is rural and out of town. For my car the Max is tops.

Hearing the little sounds allows me to use the same mental processing I do in every vehicle. That is why I use the speaker out jack and ear monitors is important for my use.

For high speed long distance travel I'm able to get a read on speed enforcement several vehicles ahead of me. For twisty mountain rural riding it is more a matter of eyesight with moving LEOs and easy pick-up of stationary LEOs as we approach towns.

As Pitts says, we all make choices in a country with so many things to choose from. What effort I'm willing to go through to get a leg up on speed enforcement is probably more than most are willing to engage in.

http://radartest.com/best-radar-detector.asp

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The other benefit of Escort is their Escort Live. Not so much for LEO warnings but for the cellular software updates. I keep my detectors updated and use the iPhone app to configure the detectors.

Saw the Redline XR configuration while researching for this thread. Will implement the suggested settings today.

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As you can see here, all the good detectors notice radar on either side of two miles out.

Radar Detector Testing 2015 - Radar Roy

My ears, and reactions, are tuned to the specific sounds Escort has for the different radar bands. This means I pretty well have to use an Escort product to operate at the same level of proficiency as when driving my car. I don't need to look away from the road to know exactly what's going on. My reactions are spinal, at this point.
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I had the TPX 1.0. Had a lot of "false hits". It was OK though.

Upgraded to the TPX 2.0 - vast improvement. I have ridden across the U.S. four times with the 2.0, and haven't gotten any "performance awards". This timeframe also includes a BBG where my average moving speed over less than 24 hours (Utah/Nevada wide open spaces) was 85 MPH. Had ample warning when needed to slow.

I run mine on Highway, No X, No K setting. The vast majority of LEOs in CA use Ka band.

When traversing the U.S., and going through small town USA, I will turn K back on, because some of the smaller LEO forces still use that one.

Side note: some asshat stole my TPX 2.0 off the bike. The nice folks at Adaptive sold me just the unit (minus mounting/wiring hardware) at a discount; I was prepared to buy the whole thing again.
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I have always used Valentine, Escort and Bel products. What appears to be hard data suggest they provide the best detection range. I used these products in cages and on bikes. After several years of various waterproofing efforts for the car based detectors ranging from taping the seams to help keep water out, using plastic bags, using ugly big plastic enclosures, etc. I got fed up with them. I think when the second expensive car unit died I gave up on them and took the plunge for the TPX.

My first TPX was the 1.0. We took a three day trip where we rode for several hundred miles each day. A high end Escort or Valentine unit was on my bike, the TPX on my brothers. We had bike to bike communication and would let eachother know when our detectors alerted. Despite what the data may suggest, our real world test indicated the performance was virtually identical. Sometimes the TPX was more responsive, sometimes the high end car unit was more responsive but for the vast majority of alerts they were almost identical in alert response.

We did this on a few more rides in the first season I had the TPX 1.0 and always had the same results. I have since upgraded to 2.0 but really had no complaints with the performance of 1.0.

The superior mounting, easier to read display, motorcycle friendly buttons, WATERPROOF, and secure mounting make these units a big winner for me.

I still use Escort and Bel products in my cages. I have a Bel STi Magnum, Escort 9500ix and Escort Max 360 that I rotate through. All have their strengths and weaknesses and all have their place. For me their place is in them is in something with a roof. For the open air I only go with TPX and have since around 2010/2011. I do believe there is solid evidence their detection range is equal of the high end car units. The real world evidence showed that advantage was not there and the motorcycle specific design of the TPX is really great.

Good thing we have options. Some folks will want/need ultimate detection. Others may like convenience. My fear with TPX was the compromise in performance would negate the benefit of having a radar detector. I was pleasantly surprised it seemed to work just fine. I expected it would not work well enough and am thankful it works quite well.
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I think a lot of the specsmanship in RD product companies are mostly distinctions without real meaning. They're hoping you buy in to the "more is better" marketing when good enough is good enough. Laser detection is an example of that. It's completely useless on any vehicle unless you've got it installed exactly where the LEO hits you with the laser spot. There's no scatter to pick up otherwise. And when you're hit, you're done with no time to react. The only reason they put anything like that in the RD units is specsmanship.

But hey, we're motorcycle owners and prone to all kinds of rationalizations to buy what makes us happy. Buy what makes you happy.
I don't know much about radar and laser detection but your post could simplify things for me if I understand it correctly. Are you saying that laser jammers are not worth the investment and not a reliable devise? Confirmation of this would be helpful.

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Good laser jammers work like a charm. Garlic to a vampire.

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Good laser jammers work like a charm. Garlic to a vampire.
I thought those were "Parking Lot Assist" add ons?

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