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post #21 of 40 Old 09-13-2016, 05:41 PM
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I thought those were "Parking Lot Assist" add ons?
That's just what I use them for. It's those other guys who remark on the effectiveness. You know, those speeders, not people like me who obey every speed limit.
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post #22 of 40 Old 09-13-2016, 08:37 PM
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I don't know much about radar and laser detection but your post could simplify things for me if I understand it correctly. Are you saying that laser jammers are not worth the investment and not a reliable devise? Confirmation of this would be helpful.
Hi Charilie, I didn't mean to say that the jammers are not effective - only the laser detectors. They are useless. If the LEO doesn't aim the laser at your detector, it'll never see it. I had an insider at one of the major RD companies tell me recently that the LEOs typically aim at the license plate or front bumper on cars and so a LD on the dash or mirror would not catch the hit. He said the beam is so tightly focused that the detector would have to be right there in the middle of the license plate. That's not something they advertise and it's not something he said they would approve of him telling the public.

I don't know much about the jammer products but it seems to me that it would have to be on all the time jamming to foul the return signal from the laser gun that comes unexpectedly. I've never used a jammer and wouldn't want to have to explain to a LEO why I was jamming him when his LD displays all dashes when he hits me. Maybe RL can chime in with better info on how they work and their effectiveness.

I just got back from a 2,800 mile trip on my GS and did it without a RD. I spent a lot of the ride in Virginia where they're illegal and there's no effective covert mounting location on the GS. I ran for hours at hyper legal speeds but wasn't stupid about it and never came remotely close to getting any performance awards. I'm of the mind that riding smart is about as effective as riding with countermeasures for avoiding tickets while going fast. Of course, doing both is best

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The same tester, Radar Roy, found the Escort Max and Max 2 both to have 8 times the capture distances of police K and Ka radar guns.
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Hi Charilie, I didn't mean to say that the jammers are not effective - only the laser detectors. They are useless.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I have been considering adding a good radar detector and did some reading on jammers. I have also seen the detectors with laser detection so this knowledge is of value to me as I decide what is effective and what is not. I agree on prudent riding and it has worked for me most of the time. I did receive an award riding with rsmith in Colorado last month. It was my fault as I was the lead bike leaving Lake City and got a little excited at the curvy shape of the road ahead. You know the rest

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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I have been considering adding a good radar detector and did some reading on jammers. I have also seen the detectors with laser detection so this knowledge is of value to me as I decide what is effective and what is not. I agree on prudent riding and it has worked for me most of the time. I did receive an award riding with rsmith in Colorado last month. It was my fault as I was the lead bike leaving Lake City and got a little excited at the curvy shape of the road ahead. You know the rest
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My experience in traffic is that a detector can offer early warning of laser use where the officer is aiming at a vehicle ahead of you and spill over laser beam hits your detector. Many times have I experienced this giving me the opportunity to "notice" my speed.

As for jammers, they receive a laser signal, interpret which sending unit was used, then return the appropriate pulsed laser return. Complicated stuff, requiring a level of sophistication that means only a couple options are in fact effective.

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My experience with different Escort detectors is that there can be a lot of false laser alerts because of sunlight, direct and reflected. So much so that I often turn the laser alert off.

My experience with two top performing laser parking assistant units is that there are zero false alerts. That when counter measures are implemented they are effective. That said, the lonely rural backroads I focus on are without laser speed detection concern.

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I have my Redline mounted in the beak, in a rather inconspicuous box. It's powered by the headlight wire and the detector is on whenever the engine is running, all automatically and seamlessly. Alerts come to me thru wired ear buds, with a nice female voice telling me which band is causing the threat. I have a small mute button mounted on the left handlebar and whenever I have an alert that I'm not interested in, I simply tap the mute button and the current threat is muted. The unit automatically un-mutes when that threat is gone, and it's ready to alert at full volume for the next threat. A small bright single red LED light in my dash confirms power-on status and it also flashes when the detector alerts. It continues to flash thru muted alerts, which is also very handy. The box is totally waterproof. I have not removed the detector from the bike all summer. I wash the bike, park it at hotels, restaurants, etc and never worry about theft or water damage or anything. It's that inconspicuous, plus it requires a T10 screwdriver for removal. I live in Canada where detectors are illegal, yet do most of my riding in the USA and I cross the border weekly and I have no worries of getting busted.

I guess the only drawback to my mounting is that I don't have easy access to my detector to toggle between settings. But I ride in rural areas 90% of the time so leaving it set with my custom settings works well for me. If I decide to adjust settings, it takes me 5 minutes to access it with the T10 screwdriver I carry in the top case.

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the lonely rural backroads I focus on are without laser speed detection concern.
Thats the key thing there! I have no problem avoiding trouble on freeways and interstates for the most part. Its off the beaten path where I tend to "lose focus" and next thing I know I'm traveling too briskly.
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I've run nothing but Beltronics 995 (now part of Escort)on all three of my bikes for about ten years. I don't care about Laser because the only time I need a detector is on country roads where nobody sits on the side of the road with laser. To R.L.s point, the most important thing is Ka distance so you can pick up an instant on if there is another vehicle within a reasonable distance ahead of you. In the flatlands I typically ride it's not unusual to pick up a radar two miles ahead of me. BTW, I "calculate" the distance by when it goes off vs how long it takes to see the cop when we have a closing speed of well over 100 mph.

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