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post #11 of 38 Old 04-03-2019, 05:37 PM
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That engine is already big enough. Adding 2 more cylinders to the existing arrangment would be a non-starter.

Perhaps for you. Not for me, and not for a lot of Honda riders I know.





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They really need to make it more power efficient. The K1600 is getting a lot more HP/Torque out of a substantially smaller engine, both in CC's and physical size.

We shall see what percentage of K1600 engines make 200k+ miles with no engine work.
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That engine is already big enough. Adding 2 more cylinders to the existing arrangment would be a non-starter.

Perhaps for you. Not for me, and not for a lot of Honda riders I know.





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They really need to make it more power efficient. The K1600 is getting a lot more HP/Torque out of a substantially smaller engine, both in CC's and physical size.

We shall see what percentage of K1600 engines make 200k+ miles with no engine work.
Ummm, I bet the correct answer is zero!
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Ive seen one of these in my local Honda dealer. First impressions are its not as cool looking as the B, its more angular and the lines don't flow as much. On looks alone, the BMW wins. However one area it does trample all over the B is the infotainment system. Its all fully built in with maps and Apple car play as standard in a large easy to read integrated screen. I love my B but the dash is so outdated compared to this, and even compared to BMW's own TFT screen on the new GS1250 which I have been using these last few days.
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I've always had a Honda. My ST1100 was 20 years old and was waiting for a replacement for the ST1300 but nothing. The BMW K1600GT was an eye opener for me. Still to-date no sport touring bike from Honda.
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Competition is key and I welcome all bikes. We the consumer reap the rewards of the manufacturers competing for the next best thing. I actually don't hate the look but based off of the specs I doubt its going to overshadow the B on handling and power.
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Let's see if the new GW bagger does the death wobble.

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Let's see if the new GW bagger does the death wobble.
It doesn't.
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I've always had a Honda. My ST1100 was 20 years old and was waiting for a replacement for the ST1300 but nothing. The BMW K1600GT was an eye opener for me. Still to-date no sport touring bike from Honda.
Me too, my ST1300A was a great bike. Not without a few little faults and definitely outdated. Kept waiting for the new one to come out, then get a text to check out the K1600B. One test ride I knew I found my new ST1300.


I can't help but to think how many sales Honda has missed out on. I know atv's, dirt bikes are probably where most their sales are but come on Honda. I'm sure Honda is trying to save money by offering basically one bike to cover a multitude of riders. I think the new Gold Wings look good but I really don't think it could excite me the way the K bike does.


The new Wing is definitely going straight after the B, I just don't see it happening.

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Quite the contrary. Sometimes you guys really crack me up. BMW is going after the Goldwing market. Honda took its flagship touring bike (the Goldwing) and took the trunk off to create a "new" bagger (the F6B) way back in 2013. It was at that point (even though the F6B didn't sell very well) that BMW decided to do the same thing to it's flagship touring bike (the GTL) and take the trunk off and lower the back end to create a "new" bagger (the K1600B) in 2018. Yes, that is 5 years after Honda did it.

Then in 2018 Honda (after 18 years) did a complete redesign of the Goldwing (now called the Goldwing Tour) and decided to continue the trunkless blacked out bagger version (now just called the Goldwing) even though again it hadn't been a big seller in it's previous version, the F6B.

I too was disappointed that Honda did not boost the power of the new Goldwing to try to compete with the BMW. However, it is still a nice update and a great touring bike. I don't know any real numbers, but my impression is that the BMW bagger is more popular than the old or new Goldwing bagger, but the new redesigned Goldwing Tour (especially the DCT version) is selling pretty well.
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Perhaps for you. Not for me, and not for a lot of Honda riders I know.
I'm talking about physical size, not power. Adding 2 more cylinders to keep the development costs down would make that thing a much bigger beast than it already is....the engine would be ~33% larger. They need to work on getting more power out of the size they have before making it into even more of a car engine that would become so big you couldn't fit it without making serious increases to the frame.
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