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post #1 of 73 Old 07-09-2019, 10:47 AM Thread Starter
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Another Bike Tragedy

A tragic error in judgement by one rider caused a horrendous accident that kills four.

This didn't make national news. I know this area well because I lived nearby when in Southern California. Santiago Canyon is accessible from local toll roads. It rolls down from the Orange Hills to the north. I lived nearby in Anaheim Hills. To the south, there's a popular biker bar/diner called Cooks Corner. You can also make your way further south through the hills to Ortega Highway, a popular motorcycle route, and from there H3ll's Kitchen, another popular biker bar/diner.

The area of the accident is near Irvine Lake and consists of wide fast sweepers which can transition from light to shadow.

Unfortunately, we can't go back into the mind of the rider. I would have no qualms passing a car like he did. But what did he see / not see when he decided to pass? Was he in light or shadow? Where was the sun? Was he travelling on level ground? Going uphill/downhill? Was the road curving?

I don't like to guess, but I have to think it happened quickly. If either rider had a chance to react, two bikes can pass each other in the lane, and that's why I think it happened quickly. For some reason, he just must not have realized another bike was right there in the lane when he made his move. Tragic.

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/07/0...-canyon-crash/
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I read about this and was deeply saddened. No animals. No unconscious box operators. Operator error. Boo for us.
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Visibility, visibility, visibility. I consider the Baja Design Squadron Pros with amber lenses to be as much a safety feature on the GT as I do ABS.

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That is a sad deal, just a reminder of how short life can be and to be more alert

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Did he come up on the vehicle he was attempting to pass to make the pass quicker, making it harder to see someone coming from the opposite direction near the yellow line? And while it sounds silly, did they both zig and/or zag at the same time? I've had that happen, but where we both see each other on a narrow, one-lane road, apply brakes and/or engine brake, look like we're doing synchronized riding for 3 -4 zigzags, and then finally pass each other at tractor speed to be safe. Plus, it's just harder to maneuver quickly on a big cruiser with a pillion.

Incredibly sad. But thanks for sharing it. We all need to see each one of these tragedies and try to learn whatever we can from it. Here, my first reaction is how often I am looking to avoid distracted cagers, and even as a motorcyclist myself, avoiding bikes is not what I check for first. Here, before I did anything, I'd be looking into the car to see if the driver was on a cell phone or was otherwise distracted. Of course, there's no way in heck IF someone tried to pass on a blind/near blind curve with short visibility, I'd ever do that. Although again, my first fear there would be an oncoming car or truck, not a bike.

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Patience, patience, patience. You don’t have to always pass every car that happens to be in front of you
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It had some national coverage, as I saw it a couple times on different news feeds. I had only seen the preliminary reporting and wondered what would cause it. I was thinking one drifted wide on a blind corner. I read now that it was likely a passing maneuver. So sad and tragic for the four and their loved ones. I have to concur...visibility and conspicuity might have made a difference. I can't imagine the passer left his lane knowing another bike was heading his direction. RIP.

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Visibility, visibility, visibility. I consider the Baja Design Squadron Pros with amber lenses to be as much a safety feature on the GT as I do ABS.

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I agree. I have amber running lights on my GTL.

This tragedy exemplifies why I always move to the right side of my lane when meeting traffic. It gives me a little more time to react if the oncoming vehicle crosses the line or another one pulls out from behind it and crosses into my lane. Also, it makes me more visible to another vehicle that behind the first one. I can also see a little better what may be behind the oncoming vehicle. We can't be perfectly safe, but we can change the odds a bit.
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