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post #1 of 32 Old 12-01-2019, 02:29 AM Thread Starter
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2019 K1600 Grand America or R1250GSA

Anybody here thought of switching from a K1600 to a R800GS or R1250GSA? Has anybody made that change? Did you regret it or loved it? like to hear your thoughts on the subject. I love my K1600 but every time I am at the dealership its like the "Force" is calling me to a GSA .Its just a sexy looking bike. It's like a Blonde vs. Brunette to me. Wish I had unlimited income, but just want to hear your thoughts on this. Yes I did test drive the GSA (never off road) but it was a fun bike non the less to ride , but so is anything on 2 wheels.

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I had a K1600 GTL. Frankly, it was a rebound bike from the RT I got rear-ended on - put me in the hospital, totaled the bike. The power was seductive, and I loved the smoothness and comfort, but it was heavier than I wanted. Also, it was a '12 and it didn't have some of the driveline improvements of later years (it was a snatchy bucking mess at low speed) and it was a left-pull bike as well. I got fed up with it and got another RT mainly because it was a known quantity and a GS was simply too tall for me. When BMW offered a lowered GSA in '16 I bought one and never looked back.

It doesn't have the endless smooth power of the K16 nor does it have all the electronics: menu-driven dash, crappy BT radio. For me, this is a good thing. I do miss the K16's adaptive (leaning) headlight although I considered it not as powerful as it should be.

My bike is basically my daily driver and from the standpoint of carrying things, the top-opening panniers are heavenly (I have no top box). No need to stuff groceries in and hold them in position while closing the lid, nothing falls out when opening them up, and their regular shape (no lumps, bumps, etc.) make it easier to fill them efficiently. I'm not talking about the Varios on the GS, I'm talking about the OEMs for the GSA, or any of the third-party hard cases (Jesse, Bumot, Globalstar, Touratech, ...)

I liked the GSA so much I just replaced it with a new one, 4 years newer and 150,000 fewer miles. I think being unable to display KPH on the TFT dash is a major fail though, considering how much time I spend riding in Canada. I can get GPS speed on the Nav VI in either metric or US units though, so it's not an insurmountable problem.

I'm 99+% on road and consider it a comfortable naked standard with a gas-filled fairing. With the right tires, and in the right hands, it's capable of amazing things but I use Michelin Road 5 tires on my wire wheels and mine are not the right hands.

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Been there..done that.

I'm still here but the GSA isnt. Im so glad I didnt sacrifice my K1600 to get one.
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K or G?

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Anybody here thought of switching from a K1600 to a R800GS or R1250GSA? Has anybody made that change? Did you regret it or loved it? like to hear your thoughts on the subject. I love my K1600 but everything I am at the dealership its like the "Force" is calling me to a GSA its just as sexy as well. It's like a Blonde vs. Brunette to me. Which I had unlimited income. but just want to hear your thoughts on it. Yes I did test drive the GSA (never off road) but it was a fun bike non the less but so is anything on 2 wheels lol.
I donít have any children so my extra cash goes on bikes! Iím lucky enough to have both a K16GTL and took delivery of a 1250GSA a few months ago which replaced my 1200GSA Triple Black.


Thing is Wizard..... they are 2 different bikes, the K with its turbine smooth power whilst the 1250GSA has more direct grunt which connects you more to biking, and the 1250 Shift Cam engine is a leap forward from the 1200 Engine. To be honest, if it was a 1200GSA versus the K16 then for me the K16 would win. The K16 is ďThe Gentlemanís ExpressĒ .....The 1250GSA is ďStep aboard The Adventure ExpressĒ.


In reality, ride them both, choose the one that makes you smile most, and the one which you would choose 1st if you had both. It does depend what you are using them for, both of mine are used almost exclusively for touring the Scottish Highlands, and I would be happy on either. If itís colder/heated seat/adjustable windshield weather then K16, if itís pushing along poorer tarmac single track roads and you need extra vision/height and super smooth suspension which soaks up everything - itís the 1250GSA. The GSA is pointless off-road, way to heavy.


I do around 18000 miles a year, split between the bikes, very little on motorways/highways. Mostly country roads, albeit usually well enough surfaced.


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Apples and oranges! Two different bikes; right on top of their respective food chains.
I wouldnít change one for the other. I know my reply does not help you but I feel itís the truth; at least from someone who has both.
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Thank you for your inputs. I just druel over the R line up. Maybe I just need to save up 20,000 or so for a nice one with little miles. I noticed all the used ones are so raped in miles. Wonder if I am better off getting a 2011 with 50,000 miles on it to see if its for me. But totally love the new ones with the TFT display. Sleek , sexy and modern. just how i love my bikes.

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I have both, although my GS is a 1200 (Rallye X) the 800 GS is from the "F" range of bikes. My wife and I love the gravel back roads passing by farms etc and the GS is awesome for that especially 2 up. We also enjoy long road trips and our GTL is amazing for that, can carry heaps of stuff, like camping gear etc, the engine is more like a 118kw electric motor, so smooth with tons of get up n go. So both are used for totally different things and both do their jobs really well.
Tough decision for you.
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I went from a K1600GT to a R1250GS with a Yamaha Super Tenere in between.

The 1600 is a fantastic bike but I really, really, like the 1250. It does everything I need it to do and the lighter weight makes a lot of difference to me. I always noticed the extra heft of the 1600 and even though it handled it well I always knew it was there. The GS is more comfortable as well. It just fits me perfect. For me, the 1250 is a much better all around bike. I really love the TFT instruments and the visibility they offer. As much as I liked the 1600 when I had it I don't really miss it now that I have the 1250.

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Maybe I just need to save up 20,000 or so for a nice one with little miles. I noticed all the used ones are so raped in miles. Wonder if I am better off getting a 2011 with 50,000 miles on it to see if its for me..
Thats what I did, picked up an 09 that had about 38k on it, paid 10,000 for it. It was clean, the plastics were flawless, it was a nice bike and was loaded with all options. The last owner had only ridden it on highway. I had added a few extras to it in the first few months of ownership, RDL seat, Blackdog pegs etc..

When I went to sell earlier this year (after 18months of ownership) I couldn't give the SOB away. I advertised it on cycletrader, the MOA Marketlace, GSA forums, FB Market place and local advertising outlets etc... I had it listed for 5 months and my price eventually went down to 7500 bucks on some outlets with no, zero, nada, zip, zilch interest. I eventually took 6500 bucks for it on trade for my XR.

So.. heres a little advise.
Before you buy one you better make **** sure your in love with it and not just infatuated because your married to it. Its kinda like that first wife that takes you for half of everything you put into the marriage when you decide to get rid of her. Theres so many of these used bikes out there that getting rid of one.. well I felt like a boat owner. The two happiest days of a boat owner is the day he buys it and the day he sells it. Problem was I couldn't sell it so I had to buy another boat just to get rid of the phuckin thing.

In hind site, I should have withdrawn $5,000 dollars from my bank account and walked out on the street and handed it to the first person I seen and went home. I would be in the exact same position I am today except someone out there would have been happy. Maybe they could have put the money to good use because I sure as **** didnt. Buying that bike was one of the poorest decisions I've ever made.

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I went from a K1600GT to a R1250GS with a Yamaha Super Tenere in between.

The 1600 is a fantastic bike but I really, really, like the 1250. It does everything I need it to do and the lighter weight makes a lot of difference to me. I always noticed the extra heft of the 1600 and even though it handled it well I always knew it was there. The GS is more comfortable as well. It just fits me perfect. For me, the 1250 is a much better all around bike. I really love the TFT instruments and the visibility they offer. As much as I liked the 1600 when I had it I don't really miss it now that I have the 1250.

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How did you find the Super Tenere? Iím looking for long term Winter Bike that I can use when the roads are salted up - itís no GSA however would it fill the winter riding gap? I have a 1250GSA which is laid up for winter. My New K16 arrives as soon as BMW Berlin start producing factory updated gearbox models. Your thoughts appreciated.

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