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post #21 of 29 Old 09-30-2019, 11:34 AM
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In the spring, I was at Bob's BMW getting new skins installed and the new S1000RR came pulling in ridden by their factory racer. He was getting used to the bike before doing the complete race prep making it no longer street legal.
We got talking about the new technology on the bike and one very interesting thing was mentioned. The bike has an actuator that senses suspension compression in a turn and extends the actuator to de-compress the suspension and keep the bike from diving in turns.
So, there's technology that makes you a better rider and keeps the bike from diving in turns hmmmm. I guess that alone shows you that smooth is better and allowing the bike to dive isn't the fastest way through a corner.
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What part of I usually never use the rear brake didn't you understand ?
What part of my statement is unclear? Your first sentence implies that modern linked brakes activate the rear brake when applying the front brake. Take that sentence you wrote and link it to my statement. Shouldn’t be that difficult.

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I guess that alone shows you that smooth is better and allowing the bike to dive isn't the fastest way through a corner.
Slight adjustments, smooth riding is fast riding.
Just to be clear, if you're trail braking is causing the front end to 'dive' then you're doing it wrong, very wrong.

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I sorta merged 2 conversations into one topic, didn't i Duane.......my bad

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I agree with both @Gunnert and @Jonnybow ; "smooth hands make for a fast ride" refers to what both are saying. Trail braking (in my humble estimation) is all about controlling the angle of attack, the degree of weight shift from back to front, by very carefully controlling the front lever; I call it feathering.

It (to me) is the measured and varying continuous application of the front brake. It is not "grab and squeeze"; on that, it sounds as though we agree. I'd also offer that, while not diving the nose of the bike, I am controlling the weight shift forward to increase my lean and arc, and rear to throttle out. Not diving in, a controlled application of brakes.

And by controlled, I use one (two at the most) fingers, and always when moving fast enough. Any braking within the arc of a lean is to be avoided at all reasonable costs, but the set up to that lean can be controlled very well using trail braking with throttle control.
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Another attribute of trail braking not discussed in this post is the increase in tire patch contact, more contact equals more traction, etc. When I'm running 'hard' I brake all the way to the apex at which point I transition to the throttle.

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Race ya Duane?
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Thought you had a Bagger? I'd have to put the GT in Rain mode to make it even...

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Thanks for all of the replies. Okay, silly as this may sound, I believe I AM using the skills prescribed both in the videos and as described by those who've posted. I've, purposely, tried to clear my head of all of the clutter and pay attention to how I'm riding versus the crazy jumble of instruction and discovered that, not only do I look ahead and choose, whenever possible, my line far in advance (keeping ahead of the airplane), I've been trail braking all along without knowing I was doing it. While I'd love to take some formal training, I'm convinced that I'm doing this, pretty much, as suggested in the videos and these posts. For the last couple of weeks I've simply been overthinking things. Again, thanks for the input.

Oh, and after reading some of the replies, here, I should probably say that I'm not engine braking (I do a little) but, as has been stated in this thread, I'm matching my revs to the corner, as required.

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