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Learned the hard way that I'm not indestructible. Alpinestars has countless race crash data captures which prove that there is a 96% reduction in impact forces with their Tech Air system. Bottom of helmet to waist protection, including the entire spine. This one is for street use, as they are developing their off-road version right now in the 2019 Dakar.

I will continue to use my Helite for off-road riding.

Spent nearly an hour talking with the Alpinestars company employees about the system. I now have a high level of confidence that this is the best protection available.



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I firmly believe this is the future in safety. I wear my Hit-Air vest every ride and when the prices as well as selection of gear with built in airbags expands I'll upgrade.

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I started wearing a Helite Turtle Airbag vest over my Aerostich Roadcrafter suit after awarding myself the vest as a Christmas present.

No problem in cool air, we'll have to see if I can wear it in the Texas heat!
 

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Are those motorcycle show prices? Better than Revzilla ($550 for the jacket, $1150 for the vest) even before the promo discount.
 

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Learned the hard way that I'm not indestructible. Alpinestars has countless race crash data captures which prove that there is a 96% reduction in impact forces with their Tech Air system. Bottom of helmet to waist protection, including the entire spine. This one is for street use, as they are developing their off-road version right now in the 2019 Dakar.

I will continue to use my Helite for off-road riding.

Spent nearly an hour talking with the Alpinestars company employees about the system. I now have a high level of confidence that this is the best protection available.



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I have one and its your fault I have it. You may recall around a year ago you put up a post about this stuff. I showed your post to my wife, with a bit of a laugh and that was that (I thought).

A few days later, I was told to order one and got it in March last year.

I have the BMW version (which is the same, only its inside a BMW jacket).

What I have learned:

1. My dealer did not have a clue, they handed it to me I paid and left.
2. Shortly after starting to use it, it developed a fault, it would not arm itself properly, the problem was intermittent, but when riding the status light on the left arm would turn red.
3. In September, I did a 10 day trip to Europe and it worked about 50% of the time, so I complained to the dealer and Alpinestars.
4. I learned that I had to have an account on Alpinestars, plug the vest into my computer for diagnostics.
5. My dealer did not know this and had to go around in lots of circles before they could register the vest as something I had purchased. This took about a month.
6. Eventually an account was setup and I was able to register the vest and it showed over 41 failures due to a arm sensor.
7. I sent the file to my dealer, who went around in larger circles trying to get the vest replaced, eventually, a new vest arrived at the dealers.
8. When I arrived at the dealer we plugged in the new vest and it all looked ok, then we had a look at the connections between the jacket and the vest and one connection looked frayed.
9. 5 seconds later the connector separated from the wire.
10. I was offered a replacement jacket there and then and took the one off the display.
11. I now have new vest and jacket to try this year, hopefully it will be OK.

Good luck RL, hope you never need it.

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Are those motorcycle show prices? Better than Revzilla ($550 for the jacket, $1150 for the vest) even before the promo discount.
Yes, Alpinestars booth was next to Cycle Gear. They had a deal, so I made the purchase. 100% refund if things aren't as described when it arrives.

All warranty is done at Alpinestars corporate, which I think is in California.
 

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RL, did you learn what must be done to restore the jacket after a deployment?

It would be interesting to learn about the algorithm used for deployment. I'm curious how it would perform in my off-road riding for the minor little drops and get-offs. For example, I've dropped the bike in deep sand where I didn't step off before I was on the ground. I'm guessing it might deploy in that circumstance where the dirt nap is pretty benign and the air bag not needed. But I'm also guessing if I'd had this thing on a couple of years ago that it would have saved my three shattered ribs and collapsed lung. On that one I took flight high side and landed about 15' from the bike.

I'm intrigued enough to look in to this more but I'm going to guess that I might be a candidate for more frequent deployments of the system - hence my question about resetting it for the next use. There's a cool video on the Alpinestars web page for the system:

https://www.alpinestars.com/tech-air-street-airbag-system
 

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Alpinestar is developing the system for off-road use right now in the 2019 Dakar. The one I purchased is for street use.

Street algorithms provide for low-side, high-side, rear-end, type street crashes, with full 2-canister inflation before impact. Small bike drops will not trigger inflation. There must be a certain rotation, acceleration/deceleration, etc... for inflation. So, little stuff = No inflation. Remember, there are years of experience with racing and Euro use. Small wonder why airbags are now a race requirement.

Race provides for low-side and high-side single canister inflation, which allows a reserve 2nd use.

The off-road systems will be smaller. They indicated MX first.

All warranty and renewal is done at the Alpinestar company, for US customers.

For dirt riding I will use my chest protector, which is perfect for my low speed rock garden and trail riding.

 

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The Helite/HitAir systems, with replaceable canisters, may be better for adventure riding? The problem is the deployment in small get-offs. I dropped my Ducati in a slimy mud hole and the airbag deployed. Completely unnecessary. Then, I had the front wheel and boot slide out on a slime covered rock creek crossing, allowing me to fall hard on solid rock. A place the airbag might have helped, but it was without air from the previous deployment. A full coverage chest protector would have been far smarter.

There are no perfect all-use answers for adventure riding yet.

There is a very good answer for street rides, or track racing.
 

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There are differences in coverage between the airbag systems.

Alpinestar decided to go with this coverage. No broken collar bones since using this on the track.

 

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The Alpinestars guys were racers. Lots of broken bone experience. They said that the system should fit tight, to keep pads and protection in perfect position. It will be interesting as I prefer loose clothing.

Their enthusiasm for the Tech Air system was impressive. The reduction in their racer injury proves the point. I don't know Moto GP names, they used. A top racer crashes 24 times a year on the track, on average. With the Tech Air there have been no injuries that prevented getting up, dusting off, and getting back on the bike.
 

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RL Please provide us a ride report and evaluation, if you would, after you give it a thorough test. I have been considering this jacket as well as the Helite Turtle vest since my accident and 2 back surgeries. Some of my concerns are comfort in the heat, as posted by Amorley above with his Helite, along with freedom of movement as my fusions have made it difficult enough to pick up even a dropped glove. Any additional info you can provide would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Dan
 

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I have the BMW version (which is the same, only its inside a BMW jacket).
The BMW Street Air isn't offered in the US, much like their helmets. Litigation concerns maybe?

January has enough comfortable weekends that should allow for testing the comfort and airflow soon. This jacket has huge mesh openings which are uncovered with flaps, despite being a waterproof jacket. I'll test this with the airbag to see how much air really flows.
 

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One advantage of the The Helite system is that the canisters are easy replaceable.

I carry a couple extra in the bike's fairing pockets.

Another advantage is no battery to charge. 23 hours is dämn good for the Tech Air, but wouldn't last for my LD rides without in-flight charging, if that's even possible.

The disadvantage is the tether, of course. A simpler, reliable system that you have to remember to unplug before getting off the bike in a hurry. Or else there's a Big Noise, and people suddenly look over to see an oversized, embarrassed rider standing next to the gas pump...
 

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I have setup my Helite Turtle Vest with the tether attached under the metal bracket that holds down the front seat bracket on my K1600GT. I have set it so that it is long enough for me to stand up on the pegs while riding without pulling out the ball and setting off the jacket. With my limited experience so far, if I try and dismount with the tether still attached, the tug on the vest has reminded me to detach the tether.

I plan to buy a couple of extra canisters in case I have an accidental inflation.

I am wearing the Helite vest over my Aerostich suit. The vest makes access to the front chest pockets on the ‘stitch harder as I have to detach the vest’s chest straps to access the pockets. The ‘stich cooling system relies on air coming up the arms and exiting through armpit vents and a rear vent below the shoulders. The Helite vest is definitely going to inhibit this airflow. As I gain more experience with it, I’ll update this forum.
 

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Oh my the Tech Air Street setup is hefty. Fits very snug too. So much so that I ordered the next size larger, and will go to the store for fit comparison.

Everything from Europe seems on the small size. Or, in the alternative, we Americans are on the big side.

Anyway, the fit is tight and there is no way to add my heated vest underneath. As opposed to the track guys that want very tight and ride in 20 minute spurts, I ride all day, day after day, and wear the heated vest when things get cold. I want more room.

BTW: The replacement jacket and street vest is $1,472.12 with 8.25% sales tax included.
 

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Sounds like the vest and jacket are a system and one can't use the vest with another brand jacket?
Yes, the jacket is integral to the airbag system. They do offer a number of jacket options, one is a top of the line touring jacket with the better Goretex.
 
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