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New 2019 GTL owner as of this past week. Coming from a Goldwing where I was hardwired into my helmet. I have the NavSat VI unit on my bike and I enjoy listening to satellite radio. I had a 3.5 inch jack on my Goldwing where I could connect the phone for music, but most always just used the satellite when I wanted music. I have an Escort Max 360C that I plan to use with GTL and will be mounting it on one of Darb's shelves. I've been through a lot of threads this month on some of the bluetooth challenges and so many of you have so many different configurations, I thought I would just put my specific goals on here to get input based upon what I have and what I might get. Here goes...

I have a Signet X helmet that fits my long oval noggin. I already have verified the Cardo PackTalk Bold will fit that helmet. I like what I have been reading on the new JBL speakers that now come in the Bold...thus, I am leaning towards this unit due to the speaker output/sound quality. I also like the fact it can be externally charged while riding if I am doing a 20 hour ride.

I have never used a radar detector on a bike before...I think I will have a personal need for one to keep me out of trouble on this bike :grin: The Max 360C has bluetooth capability and also has a 3.5mm output jack. I have seen some of you have utilized the 3.5mm jack going to a Sena bluetooth transmitter that can then possibly transmit it via bluetooth. I know there are some visual flashers out there, but my main goal is to have the audio alert get broadcast through to my helmet speakers, one route or another. I don't want to worry about keeing an eye on a flasher or the radar unit, I wish to have my primary alert coming through my helmet speakers. I have read people having various levels of success with their bluetooth channels, sometimes not being able to return to music, sometimes not being able to keep an open mic with their passenger. My primary goal is to have music and radar detection alerts working in concert with each other.

The majority of my riding will be without a passenger, typically listening to music while on the highways. As mentioned, I enjoy my satellite, which is already "organic" to the bike. Same with any local stations. I do not know if using the Nav VI is well integrated with the bike sat/radio system or if there are issues with getting audio prompts from the satellite directions while riding.

My lower priorities are the passenger/bike-to-bike communications--would occasionally have my lady on the back and would like to talk to her when she is with me, but I would certainly think her riding with me would be less than 10% of the overall riding time. If I had to turn off the music to converse with a passenger, not a showstopper. I have read about many of you successfully taking phone calls while riding...I view that as a nice to have capability, but certainly not a requirement. Same goes for riding in a group, in the event another rider or two would have something compatible...all lower priorities and nice to have capabilities.

To round it up, I'm getting close to dropping some money on the helmet bluetooth system and want to be aware of things I may not know before jumping into the deep end of the co$t spectrum and try to minimize any buyer's remorse!

Thanks in advance for your inputs!
 

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Forget bluetooth, and use a hardwired set-up. I have radar alerts, phone music, satellite music, Waze, GPS prompts, etc, that can all come thru my single hardwire. Works great.
 

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Hi

if you don't want to go wired and want to use BT (frustrating though it may be), then a Sena SM10 might be the answer spliced into the speakers. This will allow you to:-

1. Play music from BMW audio
2. pair two headsets simultaneously to the SM10 to listen to bike audio
3. plug in an auxiliary source such as your radar detector.
4. You can control audio volume from the whizz wheel.

The caveat is that the noise your radar detector makes when it detects needs to be a couple of seconds long, as the SM10 will fade out the BMW audio and fade in the radar detector noise, so the warning noise it makes has to be long enough to cover the transition. If it's a single or double beep, it's not going to work for you.

Here's your kit list:-

SM10 - https://www.sena.com/product/sm10/
Autocom stereo isolation interface - Autocom 2275, https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/64269 - this is a UK based link, you will find similar in the USA. The Autocom for me had to be modified - The two -ve terminals should not be joined, so scratch a track on the PCB to split them (thanks to @st13phil for that tip).

REPAIR PLUG, 8-POLE / 3-POLE
Part Number: 83300413580
No. 611651

and

REPAIR PLUG, 8-PIN
Part Number: 83300413581
No. 611652

These last two plugs save you from cutting into the speaker wires so it can be returned to stock if necessary. Note that one of the plugs needs minor modification with a file to fit. Speak to your friendly BMW parts department for these.

The colour codes are as follows at the Alpine unit for the Autocom 2275:-

Left spkr + =yellow w/ red stripe. Connect to black wire of audio cable
Left spkr - = yellow w/ brown stripe. Connect to white gnd of audio cable
Right spkr + =blue w/ red stripe. Connect to red wire of audio cable
Right spkr - = blue w/ brown stripe. Connect to white gnd of audio cable

When you've installed it, you might find this useful to make sure everything is wired up the right way - https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_stereo.php. Get the sound into the bike with the Aux socket and a phone or iPad with a 3.5mm jack.

Mounting location for everything was tucked behind the starboard canoe. Under the seat was not satisfactory for me, as the BT signal was blocked. Lets just say I'm "prosperous in appearance"

Power source for the Sena was to disconnect the internal SM10 battery, and plug it into the powerlet socket via USB. This has the advantage that when you start the bike, it reboots the SM10, which can be handy sometimes. The SM10 does not draw enough power to keep the canbus socket live, so there are no issues leaving it plugged in. I used the SM10 supplied USB cigarette lighter plug and soldered on a fly-lead to a powerlet plug.

And here is my collection forum posts I consulted before starting this project:

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?92034-beat-the-dead-horse-Blues-with-Blue-tooth
https://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw-k1600-bluetooth-audio/186632-starting-scratch-what-would-you-do-2.html
https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-series/90481-hard-wired-audio-pictures.html
https://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw-k1600-bluetooth-audio/178026-sena-sm10-questions.html

Good luck

Joe
 

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If you go with Joe's setup (recommended, and well tested by many of us) I have an extra Autocom 2275 new in box I could let go of.
 

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Forget bluetooth, and use a hardwired set-up. I have radar alerts, phone music, satellite music, Waze, GPS prompts, etc, that can all come thru my single hardwire. Works great.
Are you wrestling with a separate set of earbuds everytime you put your helmet on? I had an embedded set of speakers in my helmet for my Goldwing wired system and I have wrestled wtih a set of separate earbuds when I brought my HD back from Tennessee---but it was a PITA to get the helmet on without pulling the earbuds out and was certainly only a matter of time time before I trashed them.
 

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Hi

if you don't want to go wired and want to use BT (frustrating though it may be), then a Sena SM10 might be the answer spliced into the speakers. This will allow you to:-

1. Play music from BMW audio
2. pair two headsets simultaneously to the SM10 to listen to bike audio
3. plug in an auxiliary source such as your radar detector.
4. You can control audio volume from the whizz wheel.

The caveat is that the noise your radar detector makes when it detects needs to be a couple of seconds long, as the SM10 will fade out the BMW audio and fade in the radar detector noise, so the warning noise it makes has to be long enough to cover the transition. If it's a single or double beep, it's not going to work for you.

Here's your kit list:-

SM10 - https://www.sena.com/product/sm10/
Autocom stereo isolation interface - Autocom 2275, https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/64269 - this is a UK based link, you will find similar in the USA. The Autocom for me had to be modified - The two -ve terminals should not be joined, so scratch a track on the PCB to split them (thanks to @st13phil for that tip).

REPAIR PLUG, 8-POLE / 3-POLE
Part Number: 83300413580
No. 611651

and

REPAIR PLUG, 8-PIN
Part Number: 83300413581
No. 611652

These last two plugs save you from cutting into the speaker wires so it can be returned to stock if necessary. Note that one of the plugs needs minor modification with a file to fit. Speak to your friendly BMW parts department for these.

The colour codes are as follows at the Alpine unit for the Autocom 2275:-

Left spkr + =yellow w/ red stripe. Connect to black wire of audio cable
Left spkr - = yellow w/ brown stripe. Connect to white gnd of audio cable
Right spkr + =blue w/ red stripe. Connect to red wire of audio cable
Right spkr - = blue w/ brown stripe. Connect to white gnd of audio cable

When you've installed it, you might find this useful to make sure everything is wired up the right way - https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_stereo.php. Get the sound into the bike with the Aux socket and a phone or iPad with a 3.5mm jack.

Mounting location for everything was tucked behind the starboard canoe. Under the seat was not satisfactory for me, as the BT signal was blocked. Lets just say I'm "prosperous in appearance"

Power source for the Sena was to disconnect the internal SM10 battery, and plug it into the powerlet socket via USB. This has the advantage that when you start the bike, it reboots the SM10, which can be handy sometimes. The SM10 does not draw enough power to keep the canbus socket live, so there are no issues leaving it plugged in. I used the SM10 supplied USB cigarette lighter plug and soldered on a fly-lead to a powerlet plug.

And here is my collection forum posts I consulted before starting this project:

https://forums.bmwmoa.org/showthread.php?92034-beat-the-dead-horse-Blues-with-Blue-tooth
https://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw-k1600-bluetooth-audio/186632-starting-scratch-what-would-you-do-2.html
https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/rt-series/90481-hard-wired-audio-pictures.html
https://www.k1600forum.com/forum/bmw-k1600-bluetooth-audio/178026-sena-sm10-questions.html

Good luck

Joe
Joe,

Thanks for the great consolidation of information!
 

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Are you wrestling with a separate set of earbuds everytime you put your helmet on? I had an embedded set of speakers in my helmet for my Goldwing wired system and I have wrestled wtih a set of separate earbuds when I brought my HD back from Tennessee---but it was a PITA to get the helmet on without pulling the earbuds out and was certainly only a matter of time time before I trashed them.
Yes, I use Bose QC-20 noise cancelling earbuds. The reason I went with noise-cancelling ear buds as opposed to helmet speakers is for hearing protection. With helmet speakers, in addition to wind noise you now have to crank up the audio volume to overcome that. So essentially you’re adding more noise, to the wind noise. Tinnitus & hearing loss is a terrible and very costly concern (have you priced out hearing aids?). With noise-cancelling ear buds, wind noise is virtually totally eliminated and my music volume can be very soft. I’m doing all I can in my 40’s to prevent hearing loss in my future. I don’t know why anyone would want to add more noise to the wind noise we experience on motorcycles. A good fitting, quality helmet is also a key variable to the Bose working as intended. And a modular helmet is almost essential too, for adjusting the ear buds after donning the helmet. Keep in mind the Bose have a money-back guarantee. I think hearing aids are over $6000 these days...
 

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Yeah...wind noise is a long term hearing killer. I've done rides where my ears would ring for a month afterwards because I was careless. Now, over 2khz I'm deaf to. Can't say it's totally attributed to this carelessness, could just be a function of age. I started using filtered ear plugs (even with my C4) and at least I don't hear the ringing after a long ride. The filtered ear plugs seem to work well on the road, somewhat affect conversation if I don't pull them when stopped, but not a big problem whatsoever. "Uhhhh...could you repeat that?" isn't something anyone wants to get used to saying often when in conversation.
 

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Yes, I use Bose QC-20 noise cancelling earbuds. The reason I went with noise-cancelling ear buds as opposed to helmet speakers is for hearing protection. With helmet speakers, in addition to wind noise you now have to crank up the audio volume to overcome that. So essentially you’re adding more noise, to the wind noise. Tinnitus & hearing loss is a terrible and very costly concern (have you priced out hearing aids?). With noise-cancelling ear buds, wind noise is virtually totally eliminated and my music volume can be very soft. I’m doing all I can in my 40’s to prevent hearing loss in my future. I don’t know why anyone would want to add more noise to the wind noise we experience on motorcycles. A good fitting, quality helmet is also a key variable to the Bose working as intended. And a modular helmet is almost essential too, for adjusting the ear buds after donning the helmet. Keep in mind the Bose have a money-back guarantee. I think hearing aids are over $6000 these days...
The modular helmet has crossed my mind when it comes to making the earbud placement a bit easier (I use my earbuds under my ear muff hearing protection when mowing the lawn these days). Alas, no modular helmets out there that fit my long oval head :mad:
 
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