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https://support.garmin.com/en-CA/?faq=cmo7YxRdRB1DDl1JAWuEV8

Basecamp is a pretty quirky application but it is feature rich and has been getting the job done for me for the last several years. I have literally hundreds of tracks, imported GPX files, routes, POIs, etc - maybe thousands. I can export all of that into GPX files so maybe it's time to review the alternatives that are out there for basecamp.

What are you guys that are power users doing for planning, archiving, and managing your GPS guidance for your epic journeys?
 

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Very upset to hear this news. I have used Basecamp on a Mac and on a PC for 10 years for planning and recording my motorcycle rides, planning foreign driving trips, and for planning back country hikes. In addition to the Nav V, I have Garmin Montana, GPSMap 64 for hiking, and a Garmin Nuvi loaded with Europe and other foreign country maps. I use BaseCamp with all of these devices.

I am very suspicious of a web based solution especially as Garmin says the web based solution will not support these functions only available on BaseCamp:

"There are also features currently only available in BaseCamp:
- Viewing maps on the Garmin device
- Auto road/trail routing
- Viewing a profile graph for routes and tracks
- Viewing detailed statistics about tracks"


Garmin's most recent update to BaseCamp, Ver 4.7, which was done to address some GDPR regulations, was seriously flawed (See:https://openmtbmap.org/updates/do-not-update-to-basecamp-v-4-7-0/ ). After installing I lost access to many of my installed Garmin maps on my PC so I had to revert to Ver 4.6.

I hope that Garmin will come up with a solution will effectively replace BaseCamp for planning and managing complex routes.
 

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I use Furkot primarily, it too has it's quirks but it was easy enough to use and more importantly to train others to use so that we could work on and plan the same route. It also allows you to export/import GPX and export/import to the community of users. In the past year I have seen it grow substantially from just a few users in our area to many. From the bike, I can simply grab my phone and import any route I have in furkot directly into the phone over wifi or cellular. This allows me/us to make last minute changes and share with the group. Since we all use Scenic as our main GPS navigation app everyone is instantly updated with turn by turn instructions, etc..

For managing and archiving I have not found a good solution so my Furkot account online is full of maps but I also keep a local folder structure with copies of all of the GPX files.

Attached is a Furkot planning session screenshot, specifically the route import screen. The route in blue is one of our Sunday breakfast and lunch routes. The ones in gray are other routes in the area, the one in orange and the text in orange on the right a are a selected route someone else created that we are looking at adding.

Furkot has a lot of features I don't really use day to day such as hotel planning, gas planning, etc.. but do use them on bigger trips. Because everything is kept online I don't have to worry about bringing anything with me, I can log in anywhere, and with Scenic, I pre-download all of the area maps I need to the phone and can work offline.
 

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I went to the site linked by Pitts and at the bottom of the page it says: "* BaseCamp development has been discontinued." That may be different than the fact that they are discontinuing BaseCamp. If RL is still using MapSource than there's hope that BaseCamp will be around for a while too:) Not sure how much fun it will be to go through the learning curve of their new Explore Website. If it's anything like the joys of learning BaseCamp...
 

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I've always had my issues with Basecamp. It feels clunky to me. Not very intuitive. I've just struggled with it, and likely due to only using it on occasion and not regularly, frequently. That being said, as big a struggle as it's been, it's all I've known! It has worked well for me, just not easy or simple. I have NO idea where to turn next.

Garmin has its world headquarter here in a KC suburb, and I have used nothing but Garmin GPS products because of that and I have believed they are the best...correct or otherwise. I'll be keeping an eye on the solutions to which some of the heavy GPS users migrate. Wait, not users who are heavy, but users who rely heavily on the GPS! No offense to the portly intended. ;-)
 

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I think this only applies to certain devices. Of you go to the explore website you cannot access unless you own specific devices. So while this may be the future I believe it's a bit down the road for general gps devices.

Also a web app isn't always a bad thing if executed properly. Being able to build routes on hotel computers or cheap and light Chromebooks whole on the road absent of Mac costs and Windows bloat isn't a bad thing.

Yeah needing internet is a pain, but in this day you can have internet in some form almost everywhere to get a route built if needed on the fly.

Web apps are the future, no doubt.

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I've always had my issues with Basecamp. It feels clunky to me. Not very intuitive. I've just struggled with it, and likely due to only using it on occasion and not regularly, frequently. That being said, as big a struggle as it's been, it's all I've known! It has worked well for me, just not easy or simple. I have NO idea where to turn next.

Garmin has its world headquarter here in a KC suburb, and I have used nothing but Garmin GPS products because of that and I have believed they are the best...correct or otherwise. I'll be keeping an eye on the solutions to which some of the heavy GPS users migrate. Wait, not users who are heavy, but users who rely heavily on the GPS! No offense to the portly intended. ;-)
The ADVrider forum has lots of 'heavy map' users and some in depth technical discussions on equipment, map technology, etc.. There are also specific technical/support sections there and employees from Furkot and Garmin have been known to hang out as well. Oh, and lots of BMW owners.
 

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Looks like the Explore Website only works with the InReach devices Garmin acquired with the Delorme acquisition.
 

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The explore website has been the default landing page for inreach devices for awhile. It uses a mixture of OpenStreetMap, google, and some vector based maps. At least for the inreach and Garmin traditional GPS devices it is not a road route planner, it is for hiking. Maybe that whole message was specific to basecamp and traditional (non-automobile based) GPS systems. It could be that you get additional tools on the site if you have an automotive GPS device but as far as I can tell, it is just a 'hiking' planner.


Pure Speculation;

Short version, it has become fairly straightforward to build competitive routing solutions, and the dedicated GPS device is for all intents and purposes dead in the market (market decline for 10 years straight). Garmin has to pick a new go to market plan around where it can bring real differentiation and its not by writing core mapping software anymore (or building devices but that's just IMHO, well that and their revenue report).


The value of the maps themselves has been commoditized for quite some time. You can get quality maps for free. Route planning is similarly commoditized to the point that with a few API calls you can get any number of systems to provide you with sophisticated routing information and other route specific data. Where Garmin and the others are having a hard time differentiating themselves is against competition that can just as easily integrate data from across systems (maps, routes, weather, traffic, crowd sourced, etc) primarily because there are companies focused purely on the separate niches of information (better at the individual parts) and gathering it all up can be done by anyone willing to pay. At some point Garmin is going to have to decide whether it is worth ongoing development of products like basecamp or to simply defer to Google (and others) for mapping/routing/other data systems, and concentrate on building the higher level, use case specific view of data from multiple sources. The explore page is just that, it uses multiple data sources (not Garmin) and creates device specific outcomes.
 

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My read on this is that Basecamp is not being discontinued...only development is being discontinued. It appears Basecamp in it's current form will still be available.

Yep. I read it the same way.


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As long as the map updates will continue to be recognized by Basecamp and the computer operating systems will work with it, then we can probably use Basecamp indefinitely......

I use Furkot to lay out my route then export it to GPX and bring that GPX into Basecamp, recalculate, then send to my Nav.
 

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I still use the unsupported MapSource.

I used the unsupported MapSource for a handful of years. Two years ago it started crashing too often to use as my primary route planning tool so I started to learn BaseCamp more and more. Last year I tried to use both MapSource and BaseCamp but the crashing with MapSource got so frequent it was no longer a viable option. I was hoping it was limited to one PC or one operating system but found the same trouble with both PC's with Windows 10 and the one I've held onto with Windows 7.


I still use MapSource to review routes, compare routes and sometimes modify or join routes but it stopped being reliable for creating routes.


I think I got at least three years our of MapSource after Garmin stopped supporting it. Maybe four. If Garmin does indeed stop supporting BaseCamp, hopefully we can get a handful of years out of it before it becomes unstable and unreliable.


When I was resisting BaseCamp and trying to find a better option I tried Tyre Travel, TyreToTravel EN -, and found it useful for a day trip but not good for multiple days or comparing route options. There was a couple of other options folks were talking about a couple of years ago but they just did not do what I wanted them to do for multiple day trip planning or comparing many different routes in one screen. Fingers are crossed BaseCamp last long enough for something else to come along that is better than what currently exist.
 

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My read on this is that Basecamp is not being discontinued...only development is being discontinued. It appears Basecamp in it's current form will still be available.
However, how does that affect map updates for current devices? Even if an updated map is available for a device, if the matching map is not available for BaseCamp (doesn't transfer from the device after it's updated), very bad things happen when you try to plan a route. I found this out recently after updating my device but not knowing that I have to separately update the maps in BC to match. I planned a long route for the wife and I from IL to NC and back. It randomly dropped multiple fuel points from my routes and we had a terrible time navigating. Between her motorcycle and mine, our max range was 150 miles on a tank. I had every fuel stop planned to accommodate that. We had to figure out fuel stops on the way instead. If no map updates for BC are available in the future, you will be either limited to the current map on your device or BC will quickly become effectively useless.
 
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