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Hi all , just picked up my 2011 gtl and on the ride home clouds of blue smoke which lasted for about three miles then cleared, no obvious telltale warning noises or drop in performance made it home no problem, so first stop this forum and horror stories about pistons etc , so following advice on here I checked the condensate and drained half a pint + of oil out of it !!!! I know the bike was serviced oil filter just before I bought it and I know the firm that did it good guys so my next investigation is the air box ( air filter wasn’t changed ) I have ordered a Manuel but any pointers on getting to the air box etc gratefully received, and any suggestion’s about where to start gratefully received . Not a good start after much searching for a tourer to do the European bit bike has 30 k on it and full service history thanks all
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First off, welcome to the forum, Sherbs, it's a good one.

I hate to be the one to tell you (though it sounds like you already know) but it sure sounds like the dreaded piston land ring problem. Your description of burning oil and the fact that your bike's one of the early ones gave me cause for concern but the oil in the airbox is the clincher. Again, sorry to confirm your fears but I'd bet a month's pay on this being your issue.
 

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Thanks for that vandaldog , I bought it privately so no recourse are there any tests or is it strip and look the engine that is 😀 any ideas on what’s involved and have bmw addressed the problem.
 

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Unfortunately, you're talking a total engine teardown. If you can find a good, known used motor, you may be money ahead to just swap it out. Well, unless your wrenching skills far exceed mine. If I were you, I'd spend a few quid to let the dealership check it out.
 

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FYI, my 2012 was one of the first bikes in the US to develop this issue so I do feel your pain. Well, some of your pain -- my bike was under warranty.
 

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yes I guessed as much I do have spannering skills but think I will use those on my old matchless no electronics there, I am fortunate to know an independant bmw specialist in uk so think I will be giving them a call lots of money going his way I guess thanks for the help will update when I know more 🍻
 

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yes I guessed as much I do have spannering skills but think I will use those on my old matchless no electronics there, I am fortunate to know an independant bmw specialist in uk so think I will be giving them a call lots of money going his way I guess thanks for the help will update when I know more 🍻
Yes, please, post up and let us know how you resolve this.

Now, that said, @Darbinco's suggestion is another viable option. As long as your insurance is current, anyway. 😉
 

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Certainly sounds like piston ringlands cracking up but, given the unusual oil filling & level check regime, it is always possible that a tech inexperienced on K16s, could have overfilled the oil big time. Worth checking out before raiding the wallet, if you haven't already done so.

In a worst case scenario, the experiences of others on here suggest that a low mileage late model used motor is likely to be the most cost effective option. New parts prices can be 'eye watering'.
 

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@Sherbs , good luck with that repair. Too bad you didn't join/read the forum sooner, you'd have been warned about possible piston issues with the earlier K1600....

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Certainly sounds like piston ringlands cracking up but, given the unusual oil filling & level check regime, it is always possible that a tech inexperienced on K16s, could have overfilled the oil big time. Worth checking out before raiding the wallet, if you haven't already done so.

In a worst case scenario, the experiences of others on here suggest that a low mileage late model used motor is likely to be the most cost effective option. New parts prices can be 'eye watering'.
Certainly sounds like piston ringlands cracking up but, given the unusual oil filling & level check regime, it is always possible that a tech inexperienced on K16s, could have overfilled the oil big time. Worth checking out before raiding the wallet, if you haven't already done so.

In a worst case scenario, the experiences of others on here suggest that a low mileage late model used motor is likely to be the most cost effective option. New parts prices can be 'eye watering'.
Thanks Squibb yes I am going to do the overfill check and see but for peace of mind might get jap & German to give a once over used them before ex bmw techs am looking at engines at min just a small mortgage 😀
 

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@Sherbs , good luck with that repair. Too bad you didn't join/read the forum sooner, you'd have been warned about possible piston issues with the earlier K1600....

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Thanks for that Duane funny enough I did the known problem search water pump leak recalls etc didn’t find any mention of piston problems , me not paying attention and yes I should have joined earlier ☹ We shall see what occurs

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@Sherbs , I don't put much stock in "coincidences"... I'd contact the seller first, attorney second. To briefly stop the smoking all you have to do is drain the breather... I'd also contact the sellers local BMW shop; bike may have been in there for troubleshooting.

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@Sherbs , I don't put much stock in "coincidences"... I'd contact the seller first, attorney second. To briefly stop the smoking all you have to do is drain the breather... I'd also contact the sellers local BMW shop; bike may have been in there for troubleshooting.

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Yes that is my plan I have an idea he may have known about it and I will do some digging will let you know
 

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Hopefully it's just an overfill. I cracked a piston and turned the bike into a mosquito fogger. It still ran great didn't miss a beat but the smoke was constant. You already checked the condensation tube and air box so put a few more miles on it and see if it was a one time thing.
Good Luck with it and welcome to the club .............
 

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It is very common to overfill the bike. If you check the oil before a ride the dipstick is wrong and it looks very low on oil. You can only check the oil when the thing is hot. Ride it, put it on the center stand while idling. After the fan goes on turn it off and wait a full minute then pull the dipstick and wipe it off. put it back in and out to see if it's overfilled. If that isn't it you have a bad engine. The good new is they have been out for awhile and a lot of us have smashed them so you should be able to find a used engine
 

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Fingers crossed for an overfill. It’s easy to do. Bike also may have been on its side at some point (garage tip over) allowing oil into the air box.
 

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@justcharlie , maybe, I "think", depends on how bad the blow-by is. If all the oil in the breather is burned faster than the oil passing by the piston.

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