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I’ve had my GTL for a few weeks and am loving it. I’ve previously owned a K1200LT and loved it as well. Right or wrong, I’d put the K1200 on the center stand and almost always sat on the bike and rocked it off. Again, right or wrong.

When I bought the GTL, the dealer went to great pains to show me the features of the bike, including how to put it on the center stand. That last part I knew, of course. He even showed me how to get it off the center stand, although I confess I wasn’t paying too much attention at that point - I wanted to go ride.

So... I’ve been using the side stand exclusively. In my garage, when I’m parking, etc. Not because I was intimidated in putting it on the center stand - that’s pretty easy for me. Imagine my surprise, though, when I came out of the place I was in today after having put her on the center stand (really for the first time). I climbed on and tried to rock it off. No way was that gonna happen. Dang, I thought, I’m gonna have to take it off the center stand by myself, never really having done it before. Hmmm. But what if I drop it? That would suck. So I went and found a helper. I left the side stand down (good or bad thing?) and while I had a guy in the other side of the bike, I pretty much pulled it off the center stand.

Clearly I am gonna need more practice. Nothing went wrong today, but I still envision dropping it. Any hints/tips/best practices greatly appreciated.
 

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I rock-off my GT with no side stand.
I use a Park-and-Move dolly, to get the bike off the center stand, I pull it, with the side stand out. I want to make sure, I don't drop it...
 

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I would advise you to never leave the side stand down when taking it off the center stand. Past that, it will become second nature after a few times doing it.
And I'd recommend always leaving the side stand down before rocking the bike off the center stand. If for some reason you lost your balance just pull the bike in your direction and the side stand will catch it. I'm 'assuming' you're not sitting on the bike but are standing on the left side.

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Perhaps you parked on a slight uphill grade and that's why it was hard to rock it off the center stand. I usually only use mine in my garage on a flat floor and although a little hard to do I can rock it off the center stand, when empty. Harder with full luggage and trunk.
 

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I always put the side stand down when taking the bike off the center stand, I am too short to rock it off the stand with me on the bike. I stand on the left side of the bike facing the seat with my right hand on the pillion grab handle and the left hand the left bar grip, clutch in, bike in first gear. I just pull the bike forward, up and slightly toward me. When it rolls forward off the stand, I release the clutch and let the bike settle into the side stand. I have over 80,000 miles on a k1600 and have never dropped one this way.
 

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Seems to be opposing opinions on whether the sidestand is down or up when removing the bike from the centerstand. I agree with Gunnert and with his supporting argument. However, I would like to understand the opposing view.


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I’ve had my GTL for a few weeks and am loving it. I’ve previously owned a K1200LT and loved it as well. Right or wrong, I’d put the K1200 on the center stand and almost always sat on the bike and rocked it off. Again, right or wrong.

When I bought the GTL, the dealer went to great pains to show me the features of the bike, including how to put it on the center stand. That last part I knew, of course. He even showed me how to get it off the center stand, although I confess I wasn’t paying too much attention at that point - I wanted to go ride.

So... I’ve been using the side stand exclusively. In my garage, when I’m parking, etc. Not because I was intimidated in putting it on the center stand - that’s pretty easy for me. Imagine my surprise, though, when I came out of the place I was in today after having put her on the center stand (really for the first time). I climbed on and tried to rock it off. No way was that gonna happen. Dang, I thought, I’m gonna have to take it off the center stand by myself, never really having done it before. Hmmm. But what if I drop it? That would suck. So I went and found a helper. I left the side stand down (good or bad thing?) and while I had a guy in the other side of the bike, I pretty much pulled it off the center stand.

Clearly I am gonna need more practice. Nothing went wrong today, but I still envision dropping it. Any hints/tips/best practices greatly appreciated.
if you can get it up, you can get it down. Put the side stand down so that you don't have to do it while trying to hold the bike upright. On level ground when you pull it forward to get it off the center stand it will settle down on the suspension vertically and if you are keeping it vertical when it does you can lay it on the side stand without a bit of trouble.
 

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Not sure side stand down would give me that much more safety assurance. Even with my short legs, losing my balance kicking the bike off center stand is exceedingly unlikely. In all my yrs of riding, I can't recall ever come close to losing it like that. Other scenarios, oh yeah... but not rocking off the CT. I've ridden plenty of bikes where I'm tippy toe on both sides. Heck, some of my bikes perched on the CT basically left my feet dangling in the air. :D IMO, safety comes more in the technique and paying attention to the ground traction near the bike.

Anyhow... if I do lose my balance, going to the left side is 50/50 chance. Now, I do grab the front brake whole rocking the bike off CT to limit the amount of forward movement, but... the bike still has a good chance of rolling a bit forward right after rocking my bike off CT, which tend to swipe the side stand rearward and UP. So a very small % x 50% x some % the bike is standing still enough for the side stand to catch the bike = a very small %.

Realistically, being that my legs are short and need to head straight down to contact terra firma, the down side stand is quite often in the way of my left foot and more likely to cause me problem than it might help. Your long shanks with telescoping legs that strut out like 45deg outriggers won't be bothered by the side stand, but then again... you should be far less likely to complain of stability problems, no?

Not arguing one way or another on this one. Just relating my own experience. I'd say... do whichever way suit you better.
 

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It's amazing how much thought us humans give to the most basic movements.

All this discussion, and nobody's even considered how the electronically controlled top end of the GTL would affect this maneuver, and don't even think about the 170 mph limit of the GT. :wink:

Maybe we could figure out how to incorporate that neat little fold-out lever (of which I plan to purchase for my bike) I've seen that mounts to the frame to help rock it off the center stand?

I am somewhat intrigued as to why some advise not to rock these bikes off the CT while seated. All I know is the technique works quite well on the LT. IIRC, I've even done it two-up and loaded with full cases.

Maybe BMW could come out with one with those electric/hydraulic center stands like the later LTs have for the K1600?
 

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For clarity’s sake, if I were on the bike, rocking it off the center stand, I’d raise the side stand. I only had the side stand out when not mounted on the bike. Interesting conversation. I’ve rocked a fully loaded LT off the center stand with no problem. I easily have 75,000+ miles on the LT. And while I did have a guy help me with it today, it was pretty easy. I guess it’s gonna require practice so I feel more comfortable with it.
 

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For clarity, don't have the side stand down regardless how you take it off the center stand. Think about what can happen..
 

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And I'd recommend always leaving the side stand down before rocking the bike off the center stand. If for some reason you lost your balance just pull the bike in your direction and the side stand will catch it. I'm 'assuming' you're not sitting on the bike but are standing on the left side.

Duane

The problem with it is (and I've seen this happen) that when the bike drops and the suspension compresses, you can have the side stand hit the ground. It's hard and abrupt and can cause the bike to rebound up and to the right and you'll end up with the bike on it's right side.
 

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For clarity, don't have the side stand down regardless how you take it off the center stand. Think about what can happen..
What can happen? I’m thinking. And doing, I’ve been doing it for years without anything but what I intended happening. If, on a very rare occasion, I forget to lower the side stand before I pull the bike off the center stand (I’m not on the bike), I find myself trying to keep the bike upright while I fiddle around trying to get the side stand down. What can happen here is obvious and decidedly not what I would intend.
 

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When you are not on the bike while removing it from the center stand, the suspension does not compress enough to knock the side stand up. If it did do so once in a while (and, again, it doesn’t), one would be no worse off on those occasions than if one started with the side stand up, but would have the side stand to support the bike all the other times.
 

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Not sure side stand down would give me that much more safety assurance. Even with my short legs, losing my balance kicking the bike off center stand is exceedingly unlikely. In all my yrs of riding, I can't recall ever come close to losing it like that. Other scenarios, oh yeah... but not rocking off the CT. I've ridden plenty of bikes where I'm tippy toe on both sides. Heck, some of my bikes perched on the CT basically left my feet dangling in the air. :D IMO, safety comes more in the technique and paying attention to the ground traction near the bike.

Anyhow... if I do lose my balance, going to the left side is 50/50 chance. Now, I do grab the front brake whole rocking the bike off CT to limit the amount of forward movement, but... the bike still has a good chance of rolling a bit forward right after rocking my bike off CT, which tend to swipe the side stand rearward and UP. So a very small % x 50% x some % the bike is standing still enough for the side stand to catch the bike = a very small %.

Realistically, being that my legs are short and need to head straight down to contact terra firma, the down side stand is quite often in the way of my left foot and more likely to cause me problem than it might help. Your long shanks with telescoping legs that strut out like 45deg outriggers won't be bothered by the side stand, but then again... you should be far less likely to complain of stability problems, no?

Not arguing one way or another on this one. Just relating my own experience. I'd say... do whichever way suit you better.
What you say about the side stand retracting when rocking the bike off the center stand might only be true when one is sitting on the bike at the time (I don’t know, personally, because I’m too short to do it). Then, maybe, the suspension might compress with the weight of the rider and knock the stand up. What I do know for certain is that the side stand does not touch ground or retract when one is pulling the bike off the center stand while standing to the left of the bike. So, for the sake of clarity and consistency, side stand up when sitting in the bike to rock it off the center stand. If I was sitting on the bike and had legs long enough to reach the ground, I wouldn’t need or want the side stand down when the bike came off the center stand. Side stand down when standing next to the bike while pulling it off the center stand. Safe, easy and effective.
 

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Wow...I never would have guessed a center stand question could generate such discussion. Guess I have taken my long legs and size for granted. I was thinking just yesterday how nimble the GTL felt as I wheeled it around the garage in comparison to the Gold Wing. Quite a few suggestions in this thread. I think it best to read and understand each of them as something that has worked for someone and then figure out what might work best for one’s own self, as we all have individual leverage points and strong points at particular angles. One thing is for sure: it would suck to drop the bike.
 

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+1 on leaving the side stand deployed, they feel heavy when stationary and providing its not rolling forward and you feel off balance you have a second bite of the cherry. I have to use centre stand in the garage at home as UK houses aren't that wide, and happy the manual says refuel on side stand
 

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The problem with it is (and I've seen this happen) that when the bike drops and the suspension compresses, you can have the side stand hit the ground. It's hard and abrupt and can cause the bike to rebound up and to the right and you'll end up with the bike on it's right side.
So you try to avoid the one in a million “maybe” scenarios by avoiding the one in ten scenario?

Why did I never think of doing that?
 
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