Thanks Duane. I usually wear a long sleeve thin wicking pass layer; then the jacket liner; then my Klim Badlands Jacket. If the weather is cool enough I'll get to try it out when we meet up on Thursday. That'll be a nice longish ride down and back for me.Wes, you have to use a layer over the heated jacket; something like a fleece or light down mid-layer. I came back from a rally in Florida during a cold spell in January on a Sunday. Temperature started at 31 and was 19 by the time I got home. I could not run the heated liner on high with a mid layer over the top and under a Klim jacket.
Take it out for a ride and dial up the rpms before you pass judgement.OK guys, while I was away last week camping at the beach, my Warm and Safe gear arrived. I assembled the wireless two channel receiver in to the jacket (it came already paired from the factory) and took it out to the bike to test it. I didn't have to install the battery cable as all of my bikes already have an fused pigtail for direct power.
Sitting on my bike with it idling, I'm going to say that the heat given off by the jacket wasn't overwhelming. It's 44 degrees here today and with the jacket liner turned all the way up, it felt warm and comfortable. If I'd turned by Gerbing all the way up, it would have cooked me.
I plugged in my First Gear heated gloves that I picked up recently on clearance. Same, maybe even less heat in the gloves turned all the way up. I sat there for maybe 5 minutes waiting for them to really kick in and it never did. My Gerbing gloves never saw full power even in sub freezing temps.
I'm going to reserve judgement on them for now as I was just idling in the driveway and probably just putting out between 12 and 13V. On the go, it should be providing better power to the clothes and will hopefully be better.
The amount of heat they were giving off on full would have been comfortably warm on a day like today here but I'm anticipating riding in some pretty dang cold weather in a few weeks. I will probably bring my Gerbing as a backup i case this gear isn't up to roasting my chestnuts.
Any thoughts here amongst the WarmNSafe faithful? Is it that I was testing them at idle or are they true to their name "Warm"NSafe vs. the HotNToasty of my Gerbing gear?
Going back a couple years @Gunnert...so I am in for the Warm and Safe mid layer (maybe the glove liners). My first email exchange with Mike was informative, I sent a request for a conversation and am waiting for the response on that. As I research this, read this thread, I am thinking; thin or thick base layer ( I wear UA), heated W/S jacket liner and then you prefer to put a another layer over the heated liner when it's sub 35. Is this accurate? A couple things. Is the W/S liner form fitting enough or designed that way to throw a shirt over it? When it's not super cold is the W/S liner enough heat just with the base layer? I wear the Motoport mesh/kevlar two piece set up so Mike at W/S did recommend the waterproof heated liner, I agree on that. Just like all of us, the least amount of bulk, the better.The decision between the Heat Layer and Liner is up to you. Personally I don't like wearing anything that clings to me so the Heat Layer won't be on my stocking list anytime soon. I have the Gen 3 Liner with no complaints but would buy the latest edition, Gen 4, if I needed another one. I don't usually wear "long" sizes but opted for the long liner for the extra length in the body. Waterproofing shouldn't be an issue, it's worn under the jacket. As I'm sure you know, you don't want a loose fitting jacket. When it's REALLY cold, <35 I wear mid-weight fleece or similar over the liner and under the jacket.
I just took delivery of the Warm n Safe Shirt and Gloves liner with dual remote controller. I used them a few days ago for a 4 hr freeway ride in temps ranging from 4-8oC in torrential rain. I have never been so comfortable and warm in such atrocious conditions. The controller enables fine temp control, which is almost instant and works straight out of the box.OK, now I'm back looking for some advice from you Warm & Safe guys. There's several choices there:
Heat Layer - looks like a base layer instead of a mid-layer. Not sure how I feel about having this thing directly against my skin without my normal under armor type base layer. I guess one advantage of the Heat Layer solution is that I'm not fussing with a mid-layer. Just my Klim Badlands going on and off over the Heat Layer. I guess I could still wear the Heat Layer over a thin Under Armor t-shirt? Thoughts?
Gen 3 vs Gen 4 liners vs the waterproof heated liner? Any thoughts on these?
Bit of a tip here IMHO. I normally wear 3XL. I ordered 3XL in the WnS shirt and could well have gone down a size. The shirt is very stretchy and soft, best worn close to the skin for heat transference.How do the sizes compare? I use a Large t-shirt to form fit me and an XL to hang loose on me.