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@DavidMcK so MCN concludes that the RT gets the best Tourer award because it's "more manageable and a better value than a K16GT". These broad and fuzzy conclusions bear more scrutiny. Maybe more manageable on twisty roads at speed where size and weight become large factors. The GT is no slouch in these narrow situations, but let's give a +1 to the RT here. Regardless, touring is soo much more than just this one category. There is riding 75+ mph on interstates all day without needing a Chiropractor to keep you functional. There is the ability to ride 2-up without banging helmets and generally having breathing room for both riders. And no matter how it's spun, a 2-cylinder engine is not a 6-cylinder engine.

Maybe the reviewers don't feel these clear advantages for the GT are a "value" that justify the additional cost. I think riders who do serious touring, in all aspects, might feel otherwise.
 

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Maybe we get to see the R18 Touring with windshield, saddle bags, TFT display and conchos. Who know and the suspense is killing me now........
...and conchos. :LOL::ROFLMAO:

And if they really want to steal sales from the American retro bunch, for some, leather fringe isn’t an option but a requirement.

BMW ad copy: “Our conchos and leather fringe are stamped with roundels, so the new R18 Retro-Bagger says tradition and heritage, German and American, all at once!”
 
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while my gt was in having its gearbox mod earlier this year they loaned me a 1250 rt.
after having it for 3 months yes 3 months i would say its a brilliant bike,nippy,light,good on fuel fast etc etc better mirrors,and screen too.
but when i collected my gt i knew straight away the k1600 was for me.
well un till the end of the year any way.
may i also say,just before i purchased my k just over a year ago i had a 1200R sport that bike was brilliant,but 2 up lacking if you know what i mean but the 1250 engine is far better.
 

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As expected it was all about the RT: The new BMW R 1250 RT. And IMHO it's still fugly with the new front fairing and lights, not much of an improvement.

Maybe, if the K survives another year or so, we'll get some of the updates and goodies we don't already have from the end of next year, for the MY2022...
 

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WOW!! What a great looking bike with that NEW 1250 Engine.

Keep the height high or you can drag a cylinder head!!


Please do not ask how I know...

Best,

Doc 😢 😢
 

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I had an R1250RT in between my 2 GTL`s and have to say the RT is a great bike but the ergonomics are nowhere as good as the GTL for me. The,1250 goes and handles well but for me it gave me neck and shoulder issues that I don't get with the bigger GTL.
I had a GTL and a RT1250 as well. And I loved the bikes. They all have something to offer. But even with handlebar risers, my neck and shoulders would get to me on the RT and GTL as well. The RT handled so well. But the riding position just didn't agree with me. I am on a GA and love it.
 

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I had a GTL and a RT1250 as well. And I loved the bikes. They all have something to offer. But even with handlebar risers, my neck and shoulders would get to me on the RT and GTL as well. The RT handled so well. But the riding position just didn't agree with me. I am on a GA and love it.
Congratulations on your new GA I love the colour too.
 
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WOW!! What a great looking bike with that NEW 1250 Engine.

Keep the height high or you can drag a cylinder head!!


Please do not ask how I know...

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Doc 😢 😢
What new about the 1250 engine? Been around on the GS for a while now. Heard first hand only about one failure that required engine replacement.
 

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@JohnS1955 Agree with MCN, or not, they have an influence. Back in 2011 I had a R1200RT and MCN awarded tourer of the year for 2011 to the K16, that made me take a serious look at the K16 for the type of touring that I was doing and as you know I purchased three of them.

I do get the fact that you tour at 75+mph on interstates and the K16 is ideal for that, but that is relatively rare in Europe, most motorways in GB are clogged up and speed limited to 55mph with a serious amount of speed cameras. In mainland Europe you can kill some distance on toll roads, however most of us stick to "B" roads or back roads so, it makes sense that MCN rate a lighter, more nimble machine.

And while a two cylinder bike will never be as smooth as a six cylinder, I was amazed at how the RT had changed over the seven years that I was on a K16.
 

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I had a 95 1100 SLR Boxer. My first BMW. Great bike. But the one thing that drove me crazy was if you opened the throttle when hard into a corner the motor would pull you down into the corner one way and would pull you up out of the corner the other another way. I forget if it was left or right but it was pronounced and if you opened the throttle at the wrong time in the right circumstances you really had to pay attention. Its the last boxer I owned and I would not buy another one for that reason.

I always thought the Boxer was just BMW hanging on to their heritage. Do the new boxers not still exhibit this characteristic??
 

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I always thought the Boxer was just BMW hanging on to their heritage. Do the new boxers not still exhibit this characteristic??
Not any more. I am well pleased with how the bike has been developed.
 

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@DavidMcK you provided context that was completely absent from the MCN review. That's irresponsibly sloppy on their part, because it's absolutely necessary to the reader for understanding their conclusions. What made me suspicious from the beginning was their lack of clear definition of what "Touring" means. It's not as obvious as the other categories, and they should know that. I'm surprised MCN has the influence they do considering their review deficiencies.
 

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I'm surprised MCN has the influence they do considering their review deficiencies.
MCN is a UK weekly “newspaper” publication, aimed at a UK readership, therefore it’s safe for them to assume that their primary audience understands the context of their reviews without it being explicitly stated. US publications are similar in their approach.

It's a version of the old adage “two countries separated by a common language” ;)
 

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These reviews only provide a baseplate & are always the subject of a journalists bias. Take the R1200GS launch in RSA - apart from the Kevin Ash disaster, it was evident that distinct similarities in content had arisen between various UK magazines leading to suspicions that some copy/paste work had been going on.

It's interesting to read @DavidMcK s comments. I tried to like the new RT, but SWMBO just didn't have enough room on the pillion & she found the footrests were too close to the panniers for long distance comfort. So we stuck with the FJR, which covers most of the bases.

Next up, BMW will be trying to flog us the R1800RT I guess, along with adaptive CC & plenty of vibes - that will be a tough one for the dealers.
 

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MCN is a UK weekly “newspaper” publication, aimed at a UK readership, therefore it’s safe for them to assume that their primary audience understands the context of their reviews without it being explicitly stated. US publications are similar in their approach.

It's a version of the old adage “two countries separated by a common language” ;)
OK, makes sense. Still, the review seemed lacking in details that would be important even to a UK audience.

These reviews only provide a baseplate & are always the subject of a journalists bias. Take the R1200GS launch in RSA - apart from the Kevin Ash disaster, it was evident that distinct similarities in content had arisen between various UK magazines leading to suspicions that some copy/paste work had been going on.

It's interesting to read @DavidMcK s comments. I tried to like the new RT, but SWMBO just didn't have enough room on the pillion & she found the footrests were too close to the panniers for long distance comfort. So we stuck with the FJR, which covers most of the bases.

Next up, BMW will be trying to flog us the R1800RT I guess, along with adaptive CC & plenty of vibes - that will be a tough one for the dealers.
My first BMW was an RT, and this was exactly our main complaint. And certainly worthy of note in any review that proclaims the bike to be King. There are certain riding values that are common even in "two countries separated by a common language". ;)
 

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Still, the review seemed lacking in details that would be important even to a UK audience.
FWIW, MCN is often referred to in disparaging terms as "the comic", or More Crap than News 🤣

I'm not sure whether this is still the case, but BMW UK certainly used to be the largest single advertiser in many UK motorcycle publications and I've often thought that there's an element of "not biting the hand that feeds" about many of the published reviews.
 
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