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Thank you for taking the time to post such a thorough write-up. Much appreciated.

My 1600 GT at a month old and now 3,800 miles has just the same 'left hand pull'. It never seemed quite right from day one and an extended jaunt into France has confirmed it..... it pulls to the left, period.

I dropped the bike off at a large central London dealer's on Tuesday for them to have a look at. Yup, they have confirmed it, too. They have also now replicated the same leftwards pull on:

(a) Their demo bike

(b) A brand new machine, with zero miles, fresh out of the crate

Bike (b) at least negated the possible effect of tyre wear and / or something untoward having happened to either my bike or their demo over the proceeding five or so weeks. It also confirmed that it must be present 'from new' ie. an assembly / manufacturing / design problem of some sort.

So, that is three new or newish bikes, all with the exact same problem which cannot be simple coincidence.

The dealer has flagged the issue with BMW (UK) via the official chanels, so let's see what happens next.

In the meantime, it's a great bike..... despite the pull and the USB glitch.... not least as at makes petrol, if the average MPG readout is to be believed....

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PS Tyres are Metzlers, if anyone is vaguely interested.
 
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Pretty much confirms my initial thought that this is tire-independent.

A brief follow-up: Over the past week I noticed that there was a slight amount of indefiniteness building in the steering, which was not a surprise and has now been addressed.

When I did the original shimming work, I was *very* light on the torque applied to the pivot pin 5, as I preferred to err on the side of too little pre-loading of the bearings than too much, knowing I could always go back in and tighten down more if needed.

That is exactly what I had to do -- after a few days of getting beaten up by Wash., DC potholes, the suspension settled with just a little bit of slack at the left end of the upper arm. After going back in and snugging the pivot pin down a bit more, after two day's further commuting it appears everything is back to as tight as it should be.

One additional thought: Don't be put off by the apparent complexity of the bike if you want to do under-the-skin work -- the K16 is definitely easier to get the tank off than a K12LT.

Having now done it a couple times, on this go-round I had the tank sitting on the ground a hair over 20 minutes after starting to remove the tupperware. The total time for the work, including the time to adjust the pivot and do a bit of other work (zip-tie a wire in a couple places, chase the threads of a hole in the magnesium fairing carrier, etc.), was a little over 1 3/4 hr from the time I removed the first screw to the time the last screw was back in.
 
Metzlers, left pull.

But... I've almost sorted it by transferring the tool bag from the left to the right pannier, and adjusting my seating position. I've been looking through the left of the screen inverted "V", but by making a conscious effort to be in the middle of the seat and thus lined up with the "V", I can ride 'hands off' without a problem :D
 
Metzlers....left pull. Bike #2 pulls to the left a lot less than bike #1. I can actually keep it upright with enough body "english" towards the right side. So, I'll register the issue with BMWNA and see if we can prod them into a fix.

Folks, I can't stress enough that everyone that has a pull to the left, no matter how slight, needs to log the issue with their dealer AND call BMWNA (800-831-1117) to report the problem. Make sure the BMWNA folks get your VIN number and log the issue against it. If nothing else, they may correct it for future buyers.
 
Pull

Slight pull to the left here too; can manage easily by shifting my weight. Metzeler Z8s. I plan on changing from the Z8s to PR3s in the next 2,000-3,000 miles (I am at ~3,900 miles now). Doubt that'll change the pull, but I keep an open mind :p

Dealer is aware, and a report (PUMA) was sent.
 
Great Work

A truly magnificent piece of work Mark, but perhaps like others, wonder why it should (not is) be happening in the first place? 5.5 mm of shims is a significant amount of adjustment, which concerns me even more why some adjustment has not been built in the bike (notice I didn't know how that adjustment would be designed). Also, what kind of poor engineering or manufacturing job tolerates a 5.5 mm margin of error? I may never take my hands off of the bars again because I can see my tendencies toward OC immediately trying to determine if road camber, alignment, tires, etc.
 
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but perhaps like others, wonder why it should (not is) be happening in the first place?
No comment (other than to note that it is likely lower cost to procure one fixed pivot than a separate pivot pin and lock nut, and lower cost to assemble as no fitting/adjusting is required).

5.5 mm of shims is a significant amount of adjustment
no argument (a little less than a 1/4", the installed stack height is probably a hair under 5 mm).

(notice I didn't know how that adjustment would be designed).
Easily done, with existing parts (assuming the rlght and left angular contact ball bearings have the same inner diameter): replace the fixed left pivot bolt with the right side's pivot pin and lock nut -- note: this assumes the thread diameter of the left fixed pivot and the right pivot pin are the same, which is how I recall things; if not, it is still relatively simple to do -- either: (i) a small change to the frame machining (the left frame ear would have to be drilled/threaded to the smaller right pivot pin's size); or (ii) for field modification/repairs, installing a diameter-reducing threaded sleeve in the frame's left pivot ear.

Also, what kind of poor engineering or manufacturing job tolerates a 5.5 mm margin of error?
I suspect there's a bit of expectation that the parts will be sufficiently precisely made so that the actual vehicles will all match the design, so there would be no need for adjustment (a justification for designing in this way could be pressure to reduce assembly costs, i.e., if everything is made right, we can eliminate an adjustment step in assembly). The trouble is, of course, that there is no tolerance for error in such a design.


Of course, all this may be completely wrong, and the bike is perfectly designed -- if my bike's front end was somehow damaged (it's currently in for loose upper ball joint replacement, which implies damage), then there's an explanation which does not require our casting aspersions on BMW's engineering prowess.
 
Gave mine a good flogging today. Meteler's with no pulling. Runs straight and true whether under power, just cruising or throttle off. However, the bolts that hold the muffler bracket on the right side were gone when I stopped for the day, so perhaps the weight differential is to blame? :D
 
Mneblett; thanks a lot for this info, and for your sincere interest in solving this flaw from BMW. I must say I'm disappointed about BMW here. Can't understand that their testdrivers let the bikes go to production with this flaw!? Mine really pitches left exactly like described serveral times in the other thread, and yes, this is probably causing back trouble for many drivers.

Now, I'm not the one going to the dealer with this issue, unless BMW comes with an official fix, telling the dealer how to fix it for us. Yes, the bike is expensive, but now, that you've discovered how to fix it, I'm going to fix it myself, but you may be very sure that I'm going to write mai,s to them, telling exactly what I think about their arrogant customer handling on this matter.

I'm going to send the link to these threads to my dealer, and tell them that I fixed it myself...

Thanks yet again :) :clap:

Finn, red GT
 
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I (if anyone) understand the frustration. Allow me to suggest holding off for the moment -- my bike is currently in the shop for replacement of a defective upper ball joint; if this is an issue based on defective parts, that would explain why some have the issue and others don't -- and how it could have not been an issue reported by their test riders. If so, there may be a BMW-blessed fix on the horizon.
 
How did you discover the fault in which ball joint? OK, I'll hold my fingers off, waiting for an official fix. I really hope, and keep looking at the horizon :)
 
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