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BMW System 6 helmet - my opinion

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#1 ·
I've been using a BMW System 6 Helmet for a few months now. Here's my opinion/pros/cons of it:

Pros.
This helmet has excellent build quality and finish.

It has been very comfortable from day one, but now moves around quite a bit on my head.

It received 4 star score in sharp safety test, an even better result than the Schuberth C3 which only achieved 3 stars.

It has an excellent ventilation system.

The helmet is very quiet. I can even ride without ear plugs. It's far better than Arai helmets I've owned and even better than my old schuberth.

The flip is easy to operate with one hand even wearing gloves.

It is light weight for a system/flip-front type helmet.

The sun visor is very useful, but it sometimes tends to creep down so I have to keep sliding it back up again.

The BMW comms system fits really neatly and speakers are really loud.

The visor stays in whatever position I put it in. It's solid and doesn't close itself when the wind blows it.

The visor removes really easy. Just press one button on each side and it slides off.


Cons.
Limited choice of colours available. They don't do white.

Top of visor aperture comes down too far, it's always over my eyebrows, if I roll the helmet forward from the back I can move it completely down over my eyes. Good job the wind blows it backwards :) I tend to look out of the very top of the aperture, but there's lots of vision downwards towards the tank and clocks area.

When the front is flipped up, the bottom of it (the chin cover) encroaches on my eyeline. Not a big problem, but annoying if wanting to ride with the front up.

The little sponge cover from comms system microphone is always falling off.

The fastener can be awkward to operate, but this could just be a personal thing as I prefer double D rings. In time this would probably become easy to operate.

Now to the biggest problem with this helmet. The Pinlock visor insert. It's terrible! It mists up so bad, it's impossible to see through. Then at night, car headlights just smear across my field of view, so I have to open visor.

I've commented on the misting problem before in another thread. It's far worse than any helmet I've ever had. I've never used a pinlock system before this helmet so I had high expectations as I've heard good things, I thought it would eliminate misting/fogging and remove the need to mess about with anti-fog sprays etc, how wrong could I be. It's a nightmare and dangerous.

I've been back to the dealers complaining, they asked if I had cleaned or touch the pinlock insert. I explained the only thing I'd done is gently wipe it so I could see through all the misting up to avoid crashing. They said this probably voided my warranty because these visor inserts must never be cleaned or touched under any circumstances due to their special coating. They said I could buy another pinlock whilst they return my current one to see if it can be exchanged under warranty, but I declined, no point spending any more money on this. I'd rather just remove it.

Looking at it, it seems that the pinlock insert doesn't fit the visor properly because it doesn't seal to the visor all the way around. There are big gaps that don't even touch the visor. I tried pushing the edges onto the visor but it just comes away again. I tried rotating the pinlock pins as someone suggested, but it made no difference. It looks to me like the holes are in the wrong place. If I remove the insert and then sit it on the visor so that all edges are perfectly sealed, the holes are way off, so there's no way to lock it in place. Maybe in a hot country this would work, but not here in the cold, wet, damp and dismal UK. Back to using some other method.

Verdict: 4 out of 5
A virtually perfect helmet (without the pinlock), let down by just a few things. It's expensive, especially with the comms system, but how much do you value your head? I would recommend this helmet.

 
#2 ·
Thanks for the report. I have the C3. I can report on all your pro's, but none of the con's that you report on the S6. The pinlock on the C3 is absolutely perfect. Based on your report, I'm sure you'd recommend the C3 better than the System 6.

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#10 ·
...snip... Based on your report, I'm sure you'd recommend the C3 better than the System 6.
I was tempted to go for a C3 in white because BMW don't do white (my preferred color), but the BMW dealer said quite categorically that the BMW comms system would not fit into a C3 and they wouldn't attempt to try to fit it. They also didn't think the scuberth bluetooth comms system was compatible with the bike. From this forum, I now know the schuberth src system is partially compatible, except for the volume rotary control. If I could have found a BMW dealer in the UK who sold schuberth C3 and would have tried to fit the BMW comms system into the helmet maybe It would now be a different story.

There is something wrong with your pinlock. Had them on many helmets including a System 6 and C3 and the only time they will ever mist up is when they are not sealed correctly against the main visor. Your dealer is talking total twaddle regarding the cleaning.
From what everyone is saying I'm beginning to think this too. Mine definitely isn't sealed to the visor, there's a big gap. this explains the misting up, but it came prefitted this way. I thought it sounded strange that it could never be cleaned, I even said this to the dealer.

When I installed the pinlock on my C-3 visor I noticed that it did not seal at all. I adjusted the position until it sealed perfectly. You just need to push it up or down until it fully snaps into place.
I've spent ages today trying to alter it but it always has either most of the top edge or most of the bottom edge held away from the visor due to the shape of it. If it didn't come prefitted to to the helmet I would have said it was the wrong size.

How long are these pinlock inserts supposed to last? They are obviously quite fragile, how often do people replace them?
 
#3 ·
There is something wrong with your pinlock. Had them on many helmets including a System 6 and C3 and the only time they will ever mist up is when they are not sealed correctly against the main visor. Your dealer is talking total twaddle regarding the cleaning.
 
#5 ·
I'm looking for some feedback on the C-3s. My wife and I each ordered one. I chose the XL as it fit perfectly. I have heard that they stretch out quite a bit and am wondering if I should get an Large size instead and suffer for a few hours. Any thoughts? Thanks.
 
#16 ·
Quite easy answer. If your measure 61 or more cm around your head, the L is too small. Too bad, though, is the fact that the XL C3 is to big to fit into the topcase.


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#6 ·
Vic,

First may I point out that you have, without a doubt, got a Sys6 that is a size too large :( That it was a perfect fit initially and is now loose enough to rotate forward is a Big Clue! Mine was tight enough when new to be almost uncomfortable, now it fits like a glove.

The pin lock has to be cleaned with a soft cloth, that's part of the instructions that BMW supply. Take the instruction book to your dealer and beat him around the head with it, then get a proper fitting pin lock insert ;) Read the instruction on how to remove/fit the pin lock, you should have to flex the visor to get it on and off because it is such a tight fit. If you are simply snapping it in and out, it is too small for the visor.

I've lost one mike muff, now I have a thread of cotton sewed in to keep it in place. Completely agree with all your "pro's", and I believe that your "con's" are due to a helmet that is too large.

I reckon my Sys6 is a terrific helmet: at least 5 other rider mates have purchased them recently from my UK dealer and all agree :gm
 
#11 ·
First may I point out that you have, without a doubt, got a Sys6 that is a size too large :( That it was a perfect fit initially and is now loose enough to rotate forward is a Big Clue! Mine was tight enough when new to be almost uncomfortable, now it fits like a glove.
Compared to my previous helmets (which were all quite tight at first but then later fit like a glove) this fit perfect from trying it on in the shop. I tried a size down but it really hurt my head especially across the forehead, when I removed it I had red pressure point marks across my forehead. The sales assistant said this was no good for me, I needed the next size up. I tried this, it felt roomy, but the sales asst. said that's fine and how it should be, these helmets are designed to be comfy. I thought it was too loose fitting, so the assistant tried various things such as placing fingers between the lining and my head and tightening the strap, etc, but said this was definitely the size I required. I accepted their judgement as I've not had one of these helmets before and assumed they must know what they're doing.

The pin lock has to be cleaned with a soft cloth, that's part of the instructions that BMW supply. Take the instruction book to your dealer and beat him around the head with it, then get a proper fitting pin lock insert ;) Read the instruction on how to remove/fit the pin lock, you should have to flex the visor to get it on and off because it is such a tight fit. If you are simply snapping it in and out, it is too small for the visor.
I don't recall getting any instructions with the helmet, but I might still have the box in my garage, I'll have a look to see if I missed it. Rather than buy another really expensive pinlock insert, I'm wondering whether to just buy a smaller helmet which would come with a pinlock fitted and put up with the pain for a while. What you said about flexing the visor though, these visors are really tough, not what I'd call flexible.. I definitely don't need to flex the visor, the pinlock fits ok, it's just the holes don't seem to line up if it's sealed tight, soon as the holes align, it no longer fits tight to the visor and has big gaps along the edges.

I've lost one mike muff, now I have a thread of cotton sewed in to keep it in place. Completely agree with all your "pro's", and I believe that your "con's" are due to a helmet that is too large.
Good idea on the cotton. I didn't want to glue it in case the glue caused problems. If I buy a smaller helmet I'll also have to get the dealer to fit another comms headset. Buying the wrong size was an expensive mistake.

I reckon my Sys6 is a terrific helmet: at least 5 other rider mates have purchased them recently from my UK dealer and all agree :gm
If you don't mind me asking, where did you buy from and did you consider a Schuberth C3 or not?
 
#7 ·
I'm with Burger and Heli. My System 6 is awesome - absolutely no fogging.

I did however wreck one pin lock visor by wiping with a leather glove and it wrecked the coating.

The only small miff I have is that the visor leaks water in steady rain. Can anyone comment??
 
#8 ·
I'm with Burger and Heli. My System 6 is awesome - absolutely no fogging.

I did however wreck one pin lock visor by wiping with a leather glove and it wrecked the coating.

The only small miff I have is that the visor leaks water in steady rain. Can anyone comment??
If water is leaking in from the top seal they have a fix for that. Try dripping water along the top edge of the shield. It will leak at the extreme ends but should not along the top edge. This leak can also produce extra wind noise.
 
#12 ·
Re the pinlock: the technique described in the helmet book is quite specific: remove the visor and push on each end to flex it so that the pin lock is released from the end pins. You won't break the visor! If you can remove the pin lock insert without flexing the visor I strongly suggest that the insert is the wrong size for your visor: take it up with the dealer. Cleaning instructions are in the same helmet book: it comes tucked into a pocket at the top of the helmet (cardboard) box and isn't always seen. I missed mine until I searched a bit longer ;)

I bought two Sys6 helmets with BT2 from Rainbow Motorcycles, and no I didn't bother with the Schuberth.
 
#13 ·
Vic,

I've scanned the relevant pages as a .pdf here, or as these jpegs. It's a typically thick BMW book, so the scan is a bit average ;)

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You will see from this that they show the visor being severely flattened: fear not!

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I hope that helps?
 
#14 ·
Hi,

I know it doesn´t help here. I only want to say I bought System 6 two-three weeks ago, formerly C3, and I am absolutely happy with the change. In fact, now wondering why I ordered the Vstream for my GTl so quick. Big improvement concerning noise and buffeting comparing to C3.

Pin lock working fantastic so far, even better than C3, last sunday. All others wearing C3, Shoei and Arai complained about moisture, some only on edges, mine was totally clean.

Best regards
Alex
 
#17 ·
Thanks to everyone for the help and advice. It appears my whole experience of the S6 helmet is tarnished due to having a too large helmet with things made even worse due to a badly fitting pinlock insert which is basically useless. I'm visiting the dealers shortly so I'll see what they say about changing various interior pieces.
 
#18 · (Edited)
Well I for one am delighted with this thread. Not for your problems obviously Vic and I hope you get them resolved satisfactorily with your dealer, but because of the positive reviews of the System 6.

For the past 18 months I've had a C3 with the SRC collar and I have very little good to say about it. The C3 itself is significantly noisier than my previous C2 ever was and the SRC collar, even with all the firmware updates, paired to a Zumo 660 is the most unreliable piece of technological junk I've ever owned. Neither, in my opinion, are worth half of what you pay for them.

Consequently, with my new K1600 (arrives tomorrow) I've purchased two new System 6 helmets for myself and my wife and so I'm delighted to be reading such positive reviews. My experience with the C3 has been so bad that I've been very concerned about this choice but the system 6 seemed to fit both of us very well and so was the obvious choice.

My C3 hasn't been uncomfortable and in fact fitted my head perfectly, but never the less, I just don't know where all the hype about it's quietness comes from. As I said, my previous C2 was a much more luxurious and quiet helmet. My wife on the other hand despite trying both the normal and lady C3's, with and without different cheek pads etc. in all different sizes, couldn't find one to fit at all.

Don't even get me going on the SRC collar. It's absolute junk, even with all its firmware updates. One minute it works perfectly then next it doesn't. Sometimes it makes an A2DP connection to a device, next time it doesn't - same device, no settings changed or other pairings made, and it just doesn't make the same connection. Best of all though is when it simply drops all its connections without a beep or word of warning. You won't know of course until you realise you didn't hear the navigation or the music stops or you miss a call etc. I've lost count of the number of times I've cleared the damned things memory and started again. Maybe I have a bad one, but as I've read the same on many other forums and know other people with the same issues, they must have made a lot of bad ones.

Anyway, thank you for posting your review and I hope very much in a few weeks time I'll be posting something equally as positive.

Best of luck with your dealer and I hope they give you the correct size helmet and one with a pinlock fitted correctly.

Oh, and if anyone would like a gloss black C3 with SRC collar in size 58/59... Ask me :)

Regards,

Dave.