France... a nice place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.

Good info.

 

I had seen it discussed on some other forums. But I guess that it would be of no interest to the large majority of US based riders here.
I would hazzard a guess that the security issue will be a minor problem. Most vignette's self dectruct if you try to peel them off. I cant think of any that would remove intact if you tried to remove them.
Your right though Ken, it is yet another French PITA thing to concern us. Another stealth tax, as most folk will be forced to buy one if they think they might be entering one of these cities. And yes, it was my understanding that it would be rolled out accross other cities soon.
Sadly, another reason to go through Belgium now.

 

From October this year, people will need to be aware of the changes closer to home in London. £10 per day in the CCZ. whilst classic bikes will be exempt, bikes that could have had emissions controls but were never required to will be targeted > https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/emissions-surcharge though a quick read seems to have dropped motorcycles currently (I guess the extra cameras required facing the other way makes it difficult to collect)

 

On the TFL website:

Exemptions
Motorcycles, mopeds and scooters that are exempt from the Congestion Charge are also exempt from the Emissions Surcharge.

Thankfully as I live in London!

 

The new French law is a PITA and not well thought through. But it's relevant for the big cities only, so enjoy touring through France and avoid the major cities - no issue. Riding a bike in Paris is a nightmare anyway.

 

Sadly the scheme is to be expanded shortly & other cities/areas will come on board, so it will become less easy to avoid with time. Here is the current list, namely : -

22 FRENCH TOWNS PLANNING TO INTRODUCE THE EMISSIONS CERTIFICATE
Avignon, Faucigny, Glières, Bonneville, Arras, Lille, Annemasse, Le Havre, Bordeaux, Montpellier, Cannes, Reims, Clermont-Ferrand, Rouen, Champlan, Saint-Etienne, Côte Basque-Adour, Strasbourg, Dunkerque, Saint Maur-des-Fossés, Dijon, Toulouse, Epernay, Vallée de la Marne.

Read more: Paris introduces a new eco-sticker system for vehicles | This is Money

UZ in Germany doesn't affect us bikers ..... yet. This though means transmitting personal data to the Crit D'Air administration, outside jurisdiction. I hope their database is secure & accurate.

..................... KEN





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Idiots: After Germany, now France and in the future we will be driving around with stickers from every EU country. As I was in the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Austria, Italy, Spain, Sweden and Finnland within the last two years, can you imagine what it will look like over time...? And every time you change cars you'd have to do it all over again (I don't do that often, lucky me)

 

AFAIK in Germany you don't need any emission stickers when you enter the restricted zones in a foreign registered vehicle. So please check some facts before you blow off steam.

 

Excerpt from paragraph 35, German "Bundesimmissionsschutzgesetz": according to this, 2-wheel bikes do not need a sticker. So no worries, motorbikes are still fine to enter any German city.

Same applies to agricultural machines, vehicles transporting people with disabilities, oldtimer, etc.


Below the orginial text in German:
Folgende Kraftfahrzeuge sind von Verkehrsverboten nach § 40 Abs. 1 des Bundes-
Immissionsschutzgesetzes auch dann ausgenommen, wenn sie nicht gemäß § 2 Abs. 1 mit einer Plakette gekennzeichnet sind:

1. mobile Maschinen und Geräte,
2. Arbeitsmaschinen,
3. land- und forstwirtschaftliche Zugmaschinen,
4. zwei- und dreirädrige Kraftfahrzeuge,
5. Krankenwagen, Arztwagen mit entsprechender Kennzeichnung „Arzt Notfalleinsatz" (gemäß § 52 Abs.6 der Straßenverkehrs-Zulassungs-Ordnung).
6. Kraftfahrzeuge, mit denen Personen fahren oder gefahren werden, die außergewöhnlich gehbehindert, hilflos oder blind sind und dies durch die nach § 3 Abs. 1 Nr. 1 bis 3 der Schwerbehindertenausweisverordnung im Schwerbehindertenausweis eingetragenen Merkzeichen „aG", „H" oder „BI" nachweisen,
7. Fahrzeuge, für die Sonderrechte nach § 35 der Straßenverkehrs-Ordnung in Anspruch
genommen werden können,
8. Fahrzeuge nichtdeutscher Truppen von Nichtvertragsstaaten des Nordatlantikpaktes, die sich im Rahmen der militärischen Zusammenarbeit in Deutschland aufhalten, soweit sie für Fahrten aus dringenden militärischen Gründen genutzt werden,
9. zivile Kraftfahrzeuge, die im Auftrag der Bundeswehr genutzt werden, soweit es sich um unaufschiebbare Fahrten zur Erfüllung hoheitlicher Aufgaben der Bundeswehr handelt,
10. Oldtimer (gemäß § 2 Nr. 22 der Fahrzeug-Zulassungsverordnung), die ein Kennzeichen nach § 9 Abs. 1 oder § 17 der Fahrzeug-Zulassungsverordnung führen, sowie Fahrzeuge, die in einem anderen Mitgliedstaat der Europäischen Union, einer anderen Vertragspartei des Abkommens über den Europäischen Wirtschaftsraum oder der Türkei zugelassen sind, wenn sie gleichwertige Anforderungen erfüllen.

 

Yes thank you for your update. I was indeed talking about cars. As I ride in Germany quite often, I knew that, but forgot to mention it.

When you look at the French web site and see where they want us to put their ridiculous sticker on the bike, it makes me want to puke.

 

I completely agree with you on this one. I still hope that they'll change it in a couple of weeks - as they did before with other similar stupid rules.